Roads still closed, where is our money going?

[logger]

I have a hard time with that study, neither for or against yet, elk go where there is food, look at packwood, elk in the texaco parking lot,why? because there is no adequate feed source anymore on forest service ground. And it's not about closing or letting roads close themselves, it's about joe taxpayer wants to take the family on a drive and he should be able to, it's public land!! If they close roads or don't fix roads then its just that much less ground they have to attempt to manage which is perfectly fine for them but how bout the people that pay for it?

[BOWHUNTER45]

I am sure most of us as kids used to go on a nice Sunday drive to look at animals and the scenery ..This really peeeeeses a guy off that we can not continue the tradition we once enjoyed as kids and enjoy those same traditions with our kids ...I think this bothers me more than the hunting part of it ...HOW MESSED UP IS THAT 

[bobcat]

I understand the frustration but the roads on the National Forest were originally built for logging and/or mining. You know, activities that generate revenue for the government.

How much money can they make by building and maintaining roads just so people can take the family for a drive in the woods?  Very little.

Why spend money on roads that have no purpose anymore, other than recreation? I suppose we could ask for a tax increase so we could have more roads to drive on. 

[fastdam]

Read about the "rewilding project",   within United Nations publication named: Agenda 21.    Then you will understand why the governments are pushing us out if the mountains and rivers and wild places.  Along with many other dis-services provided to us.   They are traitors.

[bigtex]

your 400 bucks in state license fees does not go to the feds for lands management.

And people seem to not understand that. The only time you are giving $ to the USFS (or any other federal land management agency) is when you buy their parking, camping, launch, and access permits. The amount of tax dollars that get sent to these agencies equate to literally a couple pennies from each american.

For DNR, our hunting and fishing license $ don't get sent to DNR. Yet I hear all the time about people complaining about DNR closing "their" roads even though they paid to keep them open with license fees...No you do not! If you buy a Discover Pass then less than $10 will go to DNR, other then that the only money you are sending to DNR is through tax dollars, and DNR doesn't receive that much tax dollars.

[Stein]

I guess it depends on your perspective.  I think we can all agree that 50 F350's screaming through an area isn't helping any of the animal population.  Personally, if I can bike or hike in and not have to listen to the parade of truck hunters, I'm happy.

[bigtex]

I understand the frustration but the roads on the National Forest were originally built for logging and/or mining. You know, activities that generate revenue for the government.

How much money can they make by building and maintaining roads just so people can take the family for a drive in the woods?  Very little.

Why spend money on roads that have no purpose anymore, other than recreation? I suppose we could ask for a tax increase so we could have more roads to drive on. 

Or an Access Pass to simply drive on USFS roads? 

And before someone says "open more logging" it's not the USFS that is anti-logging. Its the environmental groups who spend every dollar they have to end logging, and thus waste federal money in lawsuits.

[BetoBow]

I guess it depends on your perspective.  I think we can all agree that 50 F350's screaming through an area isn't helping any of the animal population.  Personally, if I can bike or hike in and not have to listen to the parade of truck hunters, I'm happy.

 

[jstone]

Less roads is better.

[logger]

Just like I said "personal agendas" forest service was not formed to provide just a place to go hunting. It's everybodys land and everybody should be able to use it. recreation means different thing to different people.

[Mudman]

I see it this way.  The land isnt the peoples.  Its the Feds Gov. and they will do as they please.  Now many will object to this and claim it belongs to the people, I know, it should.  But does it?  Sorry.

[Fl0und3rz]

I see it this way.  The land isnt the peoples.  Its the Feds Gov. and they will do as they please.  Now many will object to this and claim it belongs to the people, I know, it should.  But does it?  Sorry.

A government of, by, and for the people merely holds this land in trust for its beneficiaries, the people.

[bobcat]

The government isn't keeping anyone from using the land. Some of it just has to be hiked into instead of driving. What did people do before all the logging roads were built?

[grundy53]

I see it this way.  The land isnt the peoples.  Its the Feds Gov. and they will do as they please.  Now many will object to this and claim it belongs to the people, I know, it should.  But does it?  Sorry.

A government of, by, and for the people merely holds this land in trust for its beneficiaries, the people.

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[Fl0und3rz]

The government isn't keeping anyone from using the land. Some of it just has to be hiked into instead of driving. What did people do before all the logging roads were built?

Homesteaded?