Early camp set up

[et1702]

So how does one know if someone is there or not? I've read and been following the stupidity of some peoples comments on here. For instance early archery I leave camp an hour before light and stay out all day and usually get back about hour to hour and a half after light is my camp abandoned? To some of you it is. I have my travel trailer setup and I'm gonna spike camp it for a couple days are one of you so called jack wagons gonna tow my truck trailer and quad out to the road and put ur camp in? Come on people if someone's camp is there leave it alone. Who's to judge one persons camp? We've all been thru seasons where all one could afford was a tarp a goodwill tent and a plastic bucket for a chair so why the hell should that guys camp be moved for yours. Maybe he went for ice or home for a shower or maybe had to have a buddy drop him off and will be back in a few days with the truck so he has no ride. LEAVE STUFF ALONE FIND A NEW SPOT!

Listen the way I look at it unless you have a badge , hands off.
I set up camp and have left to run home to pick up a grandson, or attend a obligation .  And come right back.Tough if someone doesn't like it.
I come back and you have moved my camp someone will loose their hunt because I will see to it you do not enjoy the camp I had first.
I have had folks beat me to a spot lots of time. I just adapt.
Guys who say they will move camps are just looking to be jack wagons.

Get over yourself geeeez.

The issue is with the dummy camps, not a full blown everyone knows you're there setup. Why is this hard to comprehend?   

Why is there any difference?  If you drag your trailer over the weekend before, set it up and leave: or a dummy tent & Chair.  No difference I can see.  Either way you are reserving your spot for opening weekend. 

ET

[turkeyfeather]

So how does one know if someone is there or not? I've read and been following the stupidity of some peoples comments on here. For instance early archery I leave camp an hour before light and stay out all day and usually get back about hour to hour and a half after light is my camp abandoned? To some of you it is. I have my travel trailer setup and I'm gonna spike camp it for a couple days are one of you so called jack wagons gonna tow my truck trailer and quad out to the road and put ur camp in? Come on people if someone's camp is there leave it alone. Who's to judge one persons camp? We've all been thru seasons where all one could afford was a tarp a goodwill tent and a plastic bucket for a chair so why the hell should that guys camp be moved for yours. Maybe he went for ice or home for a shower or maybe had to have a buddy drop him off and will be back in a few days with the truck so he has no ride. LEAVE STUFF ALONE FIND A NEW SPOT!

Listen the way I look at it unless you have a badge , hands off.
I set up camp and have left to run home to pick up a grandson, or attend a obligation .  And come right back.Tough if someone doesn't like it.
I come back and you have moved my camp someone will loose their hunt because I will see to it you do not enjoy the camp I had first.
I have had folks beat me to a spot lots of time. I just adapt.
Guys who say they will move camps are just looking to be jack wagons.

Get over yourself geeeez.

The issue is with the dummy camps, not a full blown everyone knows you're there setup. Why is this hard to comprehend?   

Why is there any difference?  If you drag your trailer over the weekend before, set it up and leave: or a dummy tent & Chair.  No difference I can see.  Either way you are reserving your spot for opening weekend. 

ET

There is the key word there "reserving". There are no reservations on NF land.

[Goldy79]

We hunt east and I was going to run over the weekend before the opener and set up all our tents. I'm glad I started reading this thread because I would not want to lose my gear I spent quite a bit of money on. I probably wouldn't blame someone for taking my stuff down but if someone torched it I would lose my mind...

With thousands of acres to camp in why do folks fall in love with one spot? Go exploring and find a new one.

[et1702]

Exactly my POINT.  No reservations!  No difference.

However, I strongly disagree with those of you that think its OK to move someone elses property, even if it is obviously a dummy camp.  Report it.  If NFS employee comes to investigate, provides notice and then removes it, feel free to move right in.

ET

[bhawley76]

I guess its to tuff to go get another spot. right wrong or indifferent removing or vandalizing something that is not yours just don't make any sense to me, I don't care what the law says   

[h20hunter]

Here is the kicker....I haven't been able to find, nor has anyone else that I know of, what the rules actually are for "reservation" holding or placing your camp then leaving it unattended for x amount of time. Basically....I agree with the "no reservation" policy. If you get there you should be actively using the spot.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Suppose when we get to a trail head and someone is parked where I would like to park due to the size of my RIG I will just winch them over to a better spot that suits there needs better for the size of there RIG. It is public land and we all have the right? Some People....

[Bean Counter]

I guess its to tuff to go get another spot. right wrong or indifferent removing or vandalizing something that is not yours just don't make any sense to me, I don't care what the law says 

It belongs to no one if it is legally abandoned property.

[kentrek]

How about the guides on here ?? I wonder how they feel about this subject.....

[Elkaholic daWg]

I guess its to tuff to go get another spot. right wrong or indifferent removing or vandalizing something that is not yours just don't make any sense to me, I don't care what the law says 

It belongs to no one if it is legally abandoned property.

 True, but I would rather be out in the woods with people who set up their camp last weekend, instead of getting there after work Friday evening , setting up camp, and maybe getting some sleep the night before opener.

[baker5150]

So how does one know if someone is there or not? I've read and been following the stupidity of some peoples comments on here. For instance early archery I leave camp an hour before light and stay out all day and usually get back about hour to hour and a half after light is my camp abandoned? To some of you it is. I have my travel trailer setup and I'm gonna spike camp it for a couple days are one of you so called jack wagons gonna tow my truck trailer and quad out to the road and put ur camp in? Come on people if someone's camp is there leave it alone. Who's to judge one persons camp? We've all been thru seasons where all one could afford was a tarp a goodwill tent and a plastic bucket for a chair so why the hell should that guys camp be moved for yours. Maybe he went for ice or home for a shower or maybe had to have a buddy drop him off and will be back in a few days with the truck so he has no ride. LEAVE STUFF ALONE FIND A NEW SPOT!

Listen the way I look at it unless you have a badge , hands off.
I set up camp and have left to run home to pick up a grandson, or attend a obligation .  And come right back.Tough if someone doesn't like it.
I come back and you have moved my camp someone will loose their hunt because I will see to it you do not enjoy the camp I had first.
I have had folks beat me to a spot lots of time. I just adapt.
Guys who say they will move camps are just looking to be jack wagons.

Get over yourself geeeez.

The issue is with the dummy camps, not a full blown everyone knows you're there setup. Why is this hard to comprehend?   

Why is there any difference?  If you drag your trailer over the weekend before, set it up and leave: or a dummy tent & Chair.  No difference I can see.  Either way you are reserving your spot for opening weekend. 

ET

I don't think your getting it.
 There is a BIG difference  between someone setting up a dummy camp (only there to reserve the spot), and someone with a full blown camp set up and are not there because they are out hunting, or spiked out for a day or two, and fully intend to continue to camp there

[baker5150]

Here is the kicker....I haven't been able to find, nor has anyone else that I know of, what the rules actually are for "reservation" holding or placing your camp then leaving it unattended for x amount of time. Basically....I agree with the "no reservation" policy. If you get there you should be actively using the spot.

So, setting our own opinions in the matter aside,
if there is no rule against it, does that make it legal? 
Isn't that how the game regs are set up?

[Bean Counter]

 

We've already covered this. If you come up a week before opener and set up a camp and then go home, it is an illegal setup and in some states is considered abandoned property. If you set up a campsite and are using it on a daily basis then it is legally used. This is what the law says and I don't understand why this is so difficult....

[h20hunter]

baker....

I would have to say yes. Since so far there is nothing in writing about the duration of being occupied. I suppose that since the only rule that is clear is the 15 day time limit. That means that pretty much everyone that wants to reserve their spot needs to get there as early as they can 14 days ahead of time and get set up. Then, on the 15th and final day you show up, remove your temporary camp holding tent and chair and set up the real deal.


That being said.....if/when I show up to set up and there is clearly and old tent and chair set up for the pupose of reserving...I'll be setting it aside and gettting set up.

[MADMAX]

I have known guys who set up the crappy tent and lawn chair and also park one of the main camps' many vehicles next to it, just to effectively gate off an already closed rd area for their personal use.