Remington 700 Long Range 300 Win. Mag

[Blacktail Sniper]

 

Now assume for a minute that it is not a case of recoil shyness.

Have you given any thought that the scope may be bad? This is a borrowed, used scope correct?

Have you double checked all your mounting points to make sure nothing has worked loose?

Consider taking the bipod off and try shooting off a sand bag, thus removing the pre-load on the forearm.

And I believe someone else also mentioned backing off on the loads, go with a greatly reduced velocity and see if that changes any thing, less recoil, less blast, certainly could not hurt at this point.

[BULLBLASTER]

Why I should not rely on my memory

Berger 210 VLD (not 215) 71.1 gr RE-22 
You are spot on, Velocity was 2850.  Your RUM should be about 100 fps faster as you figured.
I normally go by comparator figures, but measured my 300 WM COAL and its at 3.566.

It was my 30-338 with 185 VLD that was getting just under 3000 fps  My bad.

im really not pushing my rum hard with the 215s. Is why i was curious. I actually gained 50+ fps switching from 210 vld to 215 hybrid with same oal and powder charge.

[Payne]

tagging 

[Fish4Fun]

Been following this thread since I have the same gun. I had Brett Evens rework the X-Mark Pro trigger to 2 pounds, a muzzle brake and glass bed job done by Mike Palazzo. just mounted a Vortex Viper HS-T 4 - 16 X 44 on it. This rifle is now a solid .50" and better shooter. Before the glass bedding it was maybe at best a 1.25" group

I shoot this rifle at Boomershoot in Idaho, where the shots are 375 - 700 yards and it is on target every shot.

Take the time and bed the stock and you will see the groups tighten up.

[kbrowne14]

I completely 100% agree, this is the shooters fault here.  I have no quells about that's.  The recoil doesn't hurt.  I just think that since it is a heavy recoil rifle, every single one of my faults are amplified. 

What works on my .308, doesn't work on my 300 wm.  I will go back and check the rings and base though just so I can take those factors out of play.  The scope is fine, it was used the day it was lended to me and was perfect, tracking, repeatability, everything was good.  I am going try a bag though, I could be getting bounce from the bipod.  I do know that I need to work on body position, I believe it is my position that is giving me the problems.   

I'm actually in Wenatchee right now at designated marksmen course for the next 2 weeks, and have really been fine tuning my body positions and it has helped with consistency.  I'm not shooting any better groups, the gun is lights out and is capable of sub .5 moa groups all the time (I'm not), it is, but I have far fewer "f-ed off" groups.

[Bigshooter]

I finally bought the Remington 700 LR in 300 Win Mag.  I found one at West Coast Armory North in Everett.  It had already been recalled, the trigger was set to a crisp 7 lb pull.  My first impression was how nice it looks and how comfortable it feels.  The trigger may need to be replaced or worked on if I can't adjust it down far enough.  One thing I didn't notice until I brought it home was, When I lift the bolt you can see the piece on the rear of the bolt cock back, normal right?  But If I don't bring the bolt back at all and just lower the bolt knob to lock the bolt down, the firing pin goes forward slowly.  It won't stay cocked unless I bring the bolt backwards a little.  I have heard of other remingtons doing this, some of them do it, some of them don't.  I know for sure that they aren't supposed to do that, but I don't know what to do about it right now, it doesn't hinder the accuracy at all and I can't afford to fix it right now.  Any Gunsmiths out there know what I am talking about?  If so, how much to fix it?  Other than that, the fit and finish is very nice, it really is a beautiful rifle.  I think a muzzle brake is going to be necessary with how light it is.  It weighs in at around 9.2 lbs

I have yet to shoot the thing.  I just purchased a scope base yesterday.  I should have a Nightforce 1 piece 20 moa rail coming on tuesday.  After that, I will put my father in laws Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24 scope on it so I can start shooting and getting a load made.  I am going to put a Vortex Viper PST 4-16 ffp Mrad, but I have a work a few overtimes to get it.  I will try and give some range reports on the rifle.  My father in law has a Sendero in 300 win mag so I am going to start at or below his load and see where I am at and then go from there.  I'll be shooting 200 gr. Accubonds.     

If it really has a 7lb trigger pull that is probably your problem. 

[Bango skank]

I completely 100% agree, this is the shooters fault here.  I have no quells about that's.  The recoil doesn't hurt.  I just think that since it is a heavy recoil rifle, every single one of my faults are amplified. 

What works on my .308, doesn't work on my 300 wm.  I will go back and check the rings and base though just so I can take those factors out of play.  The scope is fine, it was used the day it was lended to me and was perfect, tracking, repeatability, everything was good.  I am going try a bag though, I could be getting bounce from the bipod.  I do know that I need to work on body position, I believe it is my position that is giving me the problems.   

I'm actually in Wenatchee right now at designated marksmen course for the next 2 weeks, and have really been fine tuning my body positions and it has helped with consistency.  I'm not shooting any better groups, the gun is lights out and is capable of sub .5 moa groups all the time (I'm not), it is, but I have far fewer "f-ed off" groups.

This is making me think of my savage 111 LRH .300 win mag.  I cant shoot it.  Other people can.  Ive accepted the fact that i just dont do well with magnum rifles.  I now stick with my .308s and my .300 win mag collects dust
  Dont thimk that the caliber of rifle you can shoot is representative of your penis size.  Shoot what works for you.

[jasnt]

A seven lb trigger will certainly affect groups.  I love rem 700's but there triggers don't deserve to even be included with the gun.  Slap a timeny in it and a sissy pad on it and like you said work on your body position.   

[RailRob]

I have the same model in 7mm Rem Mag. I have not shot it yet (I know). I have egw 20 moa base and a leupold mark 4 tmr illuminated reticle on low sei rings. I am excited to shoot it. This is a great post!!!

[carpsniperg2]

I finally bought the Remington 700 LR in 300 Win Mag.  I found one at West Coast Armory North in Everett.  It had already been recalled, the trigger was set to a crisp 7 lb pull.  My first impression was how nice it looks and how comfortable it feels.  The trigger may need to be replaced or worked on if I can't adjust it down far enough.  One thing I didn't notice until I brought it home was, When I lift the bolt you can see the piece on the rear of the bolt cock back, normal right?  But If I don't bring the bolt back at all and just lower the bolt knob to lock the bolt down, the firing pin goes forward slowly.  It won't stay cocked unless I bring the bolt backwards a little.  I have heard of other remingtons doing this, some of them do it, some of them don't.  I know for sure that they aren't supposed to do that, but I don't know what to do about it right now, it doesn't hinder the accuracy at all and I can't afford to fix it right now.  Any Gunsmiths out there know what I am talking about?  If so, how much to fix it?  Other than that, the fit and finish is very nice, it really is a beautiful rifle.  I think a muzzle brake is going to be necessary with how light it is.  It weighs in at around 9.2 lbs

I have yet to shoot the thing.  I just purchased a scope base yesterday.  I should have a Nightforce 1 piece 20 moa rail coming on tuesday.  After that, I will put my father in laws Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24 scope on it so I can start shooting and getting a load made.  I am going to put a Vortex Viper PST 4-16 ffp Mrad, but I have a work a few overtimes to get it.  I will try and give some range reports on the rifle.  My father in law has a Sendero in 300 win mag so I am going to start at or below his load and see where I am at and then go from there.  I'll be shooting 200 gr. Accubonds.     

If it really has a 7lb trigger pull that is probably your problem.

For sure Get a timeny "think it's the 510? maybe" Drop your trigger pull 50% or more. That will help a lot and like said get a after market pad on it was well.

[Windwalker]

Yup, I think you are on the right course.

I didn't catch which stock you are using- if you have a niggling question in the back of your mind where the problem lies its wise to listen and act on it until convinced other wise..

From what you have written I think you are perceptive and probably know the answers to these accuracy issues...but the answers to each .010 increment of accuracy after a certain point take an over proportional sum of cash for each diminishing return.

And you look too comfortable to have your NPOA IMHO. 

I am not criticizing BTW- more of a good-natured prod so don't take this wrong but. A belly plop isn't synonymous with the contortions and pain inflicted by a solid structural NPOA bone on bone lock.
Gotta lose the rise and fall influence of breathing by a good pretzel twist on to your side.
It sux but once you are locked in it works wonders for follow through.

Once you have established your scope and action is rock solid.

 Establish NPOA, Sling it, glass bed it, get a good Trigger, loose the bipod. 

I think you are correct its not flinching but the follow through with a bipod bounce from the recoil throwing the shots.

Came across this and they have some interesting observations about bipod use towards the bottom of the article that may give you some food for thought.

http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Hold+that+Forend.html

[lablover]

This is interesting to monitor. Prior to finding this thread I purchased the same rifle, but it has the modified Xpro Trigger. It will be interesting to see the comparisons to your rifle. So, right out of the box they say the trigger is at 3.5lbs. After one pull I knew this to be false. I tested it with my trigger gauge and found it to be at 5.25lbs; way to go Remington.

As of right now it is sitting in my case waiting to have a muzzle brake put on it. I recently purchased a Tika 300 WM for hunting and am shooting 1/2 MOA with it using the 210 hunting VLD's and 71gr of RL22 with Federal 215 primers with an OAL of 3.39". I'm planning on using either RL22, or IMR7828 for the LR shooting the AMAX 208 target bullets with Remington Brass.

I ordered a "Maxi Brake" from Accuracy Systems Inc. out of Colorado. I did a lot of research on muzzle brakes and looked for a large recoil reduction from a brake and found this one to be an approximate reduction of 60%. Its going to look like a Howitzer, but then again its only going to be a target gun, not meant for hunting. So, I'll have a large fish-gill style brake with a 20 MOA Warren base. I'm putting a Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44MM scope on it with lapped Vortex tactical rings. I also purchased a very cheap bipod to put on the front if I feel like shooting from it. With that set up my calculations (using iStrelok) put me out to between 1500-1600 yards.

The reason I chose this rifle is simple. I want to build a very cheap, accurate, long range rifle that an average person can afford. I don't have the money to purchase a $4,000 Rbros rifle (I wish I did) but I don't. In a perfect world I'm hoping I can get this gun to perform at the 1/2 MOA mark on a regular basis. My hunting partner (csoutfitters) also purchased the same exact rifle at the same time, and we are both setting it up nearly the same way. We will likely be using different techniques and powders to find loads, but it will be interesting to see how they perform. When I get it back from the gunsmith I will take a photo of what it looks like and post it with the brake. Its going to be ridiculous I'm sure.

[kbrowne14]

Well after putting around 800 rounds through my Robar .308 win.  I realized that I had some natural point of aim issues, not too bad, but some.  I was able to figure out that my stock position was not correctly in my shoulder where it needed to be, and my right elbow was out of position.  I also found that when switching to a bipod, I was getting jump on the hard surfaces which was giving me poor grouping.  I started using a backpack when possible on hard surfaces like crushed rock, and concrete. 

Having said that, my inconsistencies were far less drastic than with my .300 win mag.  But they were there.  I still think the heavy recoil amplifies my mistakes and that a muzzle brake will help by being more forgiving.  But it is not going to be a band-aid to help cover my mistakes, I will work on those. 

I am going to keep this thread going because I think that this gun is good shooter, and I think that there are a lot of people out there like me that are intrigued by a remington 700 long action heavy barrel for $700.  I appreciate all the help and advice from everyone.  I look forward to posting again with some better results.

[lablover]

Well, I got my rifle back from the gunsmith with the enormous brake on it. Some may say it's ugly and hideous and some will love it. I, personally, like it for what it is. This brake claims to have a 60% reduction in recoil which is great. You can see what I have this rifle set up with in my prior post in this thread. At this point I have not shot it yet. I will lay out what I do and don't like about the rifle thus far;

First the dislikes. The tigger is horrible. 5.25lbs out of the box when they say it is 3.5. I tried to adjust it with the "adjustment screw" on the trigger and couldn't get it below 4.75. Rediculous. I then had to do some adjustment myself. I took a pick and picked all the glue they use to cover the adjustment screws and began doing the adjustments. After about 20 minutes of playing with different combos I was able to get it to 2.5. That's as low as I could get it without tripping the bolt when closing it.

Another dislike. After doing the trigger I began loading some rounds to do break in. When I went to chamber the first one I couldn't even get it to seat in the chamber. I had to use my cleaning rod to push it out. I found a large bur that hadn't been cleared during the machining process. I then cleaned cleaned and cleaned it some more and finally got the bur out. I'm now questioning how well this rifle will perform if the manufacturing is that flawed.

My final dislike, although I'm being a little ridiculous, is the rather narrow recoil lug. I was shocked to see a lug that size for this caliber with a 26" heavy barrel. Although this is a good stock, I'm going to bed the lug at a minimum.

Now for some likes. The stock is amazing for the price. A third of the cost of the rifle is basically for the stock. What does that say about the rifle itself? Remington advertises a fully floated barrel and it is. I was very shocked that that portion of their advertising is actually true.

As you can see, I don't have a lot of likes yet because I haven't been able to shoot it. I am Hoping to go through a brief break in process this weekend or sometime next week. After that I will use Dan Newberrys "Optimal Charge Weight" (OCW) to find my load. I am going to try IMR 7828 with Remington brass using BR-2 primers pushing the Amax 208 bullets. Once I start shooting I will post the results.

[CAMPMEAT]

You should see my 300 RUM compared to yours.....

I like yours....