Wash. reports new wolf pack found

[buddy01]

I hunt up lone creek ,Is this close?

[CAMPMEAT]

I hunt up lone creek ,Is this close?

Where is Lone Creek ?

[buddy01]

About 8 miles south of Canada.

[wolfbait]

does anyone have the tally's of confirmed packs to date and locations ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/

Huckleberry pack might not be included anymore as a BP, according to WDFW as they said they shot the "alpha" female.


Biologists confirmed 13 wolf packs, five successful breeding pairs and at least 52 individual wolves based on surveys through the end of 2013.

The actual number of wolves is likely higher, said Donny Martorello, WDFW carnivore specialist.

Nine of the packs are in northeastern Washington with four along the east slopes of the North Cascades. Also, Oregon reports a new pack along the Washington border, bringing the number of Blue Mountains packs to at least two.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/mar/09/state-confirms-4-new-wolf-packs/

With only five breeding pairs so far, WA has along ways to go at the rate WDFW confirm.

When wolves are delisted and state management fully replaces federal management, FWS has determined that the recovery goal is being maintained when each state (Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming) maintains at least 15 breeding pairs and 150 wolves.

http://democrats.naturalresources.house.gov/sites/democrats.naturalresources.house.gov/files/Gray%20Wolf%20DPS.pdf

[bearpaw]

I hunt up lone creek ,Is this close?

I assume you mean Lone Ranch, it's not far from Profanity.

FYI - 3 or 4 years ago we saw wolf tracks in Lone Ranch.

[buddy01]

Yes, lone ranch rd.

[idahohuntr]

With only five breeding pairs so far, WA has along ways to go at the rate WDFW confirm.

When wolves are delisted and state management fully replaces federal management, FWS has determined that the recovery goal is being maintained when each state (Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming) maintains at least 15 breeding pairs and 150 wolves.

Wolves are fully under state management in Eastern Washington right now.

Sounds like something wolf/eco whackos would do.

  That kind of surprises me...I guess maybe those ELF groups that firebomb gas guzzlers or something...but I usually don't think of greenies as being all that proficient with firearms.

“It’s a fairly remote area, so it’s not going to be an easy task to determine something to do that will help keep wolves and livestock apart,” he said.

The surest way to reduce livestock losses from wolves is to not put livestock in wolf habitat.  Not saying thats the only option, but at some point don't livestock producers have to factor in predation losses to their business if they continue to operate where wolves occur and are a protected species?[/color]

Magic meatballs would keep the wolves and cattle apart.

 Maybe it's time to change the wolf habitat. I have a few ideas, quite sure you can guess what they are.

No, I don't have any clue what your ideas are...nor do I want to know. 

You must admit though...those bio's have a good sense of humor..."Profanity Pack"  I assume they named those wolves in honor of you...maybe called you up and told you about a new pack and you just started cussing...so they settled on Profanity Pack      

[CAMPMEAT]

About 8 miles south of Canada.

Got it. They're up there too. Lone Ranch is only a mile a from the border or less. They visit from the Wedge.......

[Mudman]

Just assume they are everywhere.  Man price of beef is going up, wonder why?  These ranchers going to be run into the dirt at this rate.  I am sure the local economy will prosper then! Keeps reminding me of the spotted owl crap. idahodude you propose removing open grazing?  That would have huge ramifications across the country.  Other states without wolves would be closed as well due to some stupid beetle or endangered rodent.  Then the large corps. would get involved due to lack of supply and loosing $.  Then it would revert back likely.  No win and only the people would suffer.   Camp I am setting a camera in the grizz territory to see if I get lucky.  He wasnt around last year.

[idahohuntr]

no problem with grazing, just saying that at some point livestock producers need to factor in wolf losses as the cost of doing business in wolf country...I doubt it will have any effect on beef prices in the US.   

 

[jasnt]

Just assume they are everywhere.  Man price of beef is going up, wonder why?  These ranchers going to be run into the dirt at this rate.  I am sure the local economy will prosper then! Keeps reminding me of the spotted owl crap. idahodude you propose removing open grazing?  That would have huge ramifications across the country.  Other states without wolves would be closed as well due to some stupid beetle or endangered rodent.  Then the large corps. would get involved due to lack of supply and loosing $.  Then it would revert back likely.  No win and only the people would suffer.   Camp I am setting a camera in the grizz territory to see if I get lucky.  He wasnt around last year.

hit the nail dead on there   tho it will be the small time ranchr on private land that's hurt the most

[CAMPMEAT]

Just assume they are everywhere.  Man price of beef is going up, wonder why?  These ranchers going to be run into the dirt at this rate.  I am sure the local economy will prosper then! Keeps reminding me of the spotted owl crap. idahodude you propose removing open grazing?  That would have huge ramifications across the country.  Other states without wolves would be closed as well due to some stupid beetle or endangered rodent.  Then the large corps. would get involved due to lack of supply and loosing $.  Then it would revert back likely.  No win and only the people would suffer.   Camp I am setting a camera in the grizz territory to see if I get lucky.  He wasnt around last year.

Hopefully, sorta. That would be another WDFW cluster F...........

[Dan-o]

no problem with grazing, just saying that at some point livestock producers need to factor in wolf losses as the cost of doing business in wolf country...I doubt it will have any effect on beef prices in the US.   

 

I don't always disagree with you Idahohunter, but these folks were running cattle when there were no wolves.   Kind of tough to make them factor it in after-the-fact just because people who don't have to live there (but like the thought of wolves in the wild) think it's a good idea to bring wolves back.

[jasnt]

Idahohunter can down play it all he wants but I know with our little herd we would be screwed if we lost only a few in a year it would bankrupt in maybe 2 years if lucky. Only loosing a few each year. You can charge what ever you want but in the end people are looking for a deal. Nobody will pay extra cause you lost a few cows last year. Then you sit on(feed) those that didn't sell,then a steer or 2 get sacked by the pack and your out again. Oh I almost forgot. The state will compensate ya for each confirmed kill.( 1:8 kills are confirmed) by the end of it were broke and out of biz. Only the big ranchers can eat those losess and survive long enough to raise a price

[idahohuntr]

no problem with grazing, just saying that at some point livestock producers need to factor in wolf losses as the cost of doing business in wolf country...I doubt it will have any effect on beef prices in the US.   

 

I don't always disagree with you Idahohunter, but these folks were running cattle when there were no wolves.   Kind of tough to make them factor it in after-the-fact just because people who don't have to live there (but like the thought of wolves in the wild) think it's a good idea to bring wolves back.

Yea, I get that part of it...but then you could also say wolves were here for a LONG time before any cattle.  Most other private industries have to deal with changed conditions that are not favorable to their pocketbooks and which they did not ask for or necessarily even have a say in.  Not sure I see a valid reason livestock production should be shielded from these realities.