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[idahohuntr]

I spent 17 days in the blues watching that BS of the Nez Perce slaughtering elk with no care in the world! cutting heads off and taking none of it or just backstraps! This isnt SECOND HAND info pal..I watched it. its disgusting! Shouldnt be allowed and how they are allowed to do this is beyond me. ELK WERE NOT NATIVE to the Blues..WHITE man is responsible for the introduction of elk.

I have had similar experience with some Nez Perce in Idaho...very discouraging to see such a lack of respect for wildlife from tribal members.  I am unsure if what I witnessed was "poaching"...Is there any cultural reason they would kill elk and take the antlers only and leave the meat?  I know nothing about tribal law but it seems difficult to believe they would condone such activity.   

My observation has always been that most of the "problem" areas are areas where harvest is very limited (e.g., special permit hunts) to non-tribal members.  I kind of wonder if that is the "ace" up the sleeve of the states..."hey tribe, this is wdfw...stop with these slaughters and wastage in the Mt. View unit or we are going to open it up to a general any elk season and you will have 10,000 hunters in there and the unit won't be so great for anyone anymore".

[huntnnw]

I will gurantee if it was OTC hunting the indians will be gone!! they are abusing an area that was set up to be a quality area.

[washelkhunter]

Everyone needs to start documenting and reporting the abuse. We all have cameras and video in our phones now. License plates, vehicles, physical descriptions everything needs to recorded and reported.

[huntnnw]

Problem is WDFW does nothing! They dont care.

[Tbar]

Problem is WDFW does nothing! They dont care.

Not true.  There are many within the wdfw that do care. If you get the documentation on abuse more times than not the case will be forwarded for prosecution.  The key is documentation.

[liljozie495]

Tribal hunting is just about the #1 issue affecting deer and elk hunting in this state, in my opinion. And the state doesn't seem to care. The tribes are allowed to kill as much as they want, whenever they want. They are even given gate keys so they can drive into areas where everyone else has to walk, as if driving to the tops of mountains is some sort of cultural tradition for them that the white man can't take away.

I disagree as a whole.  While tribes might be a major factor in a specific area.  Maybe your pet area of focus, it is not a major issue or issue at all everywhere.  Bobcat, you have been painting the tribes with a pretty broad paintbrush since I joined this forum.  When you refer to tribes from now on, it would be helpful to everyone if you referred to the specific tribes your are speaking of.

I don't think he needs to when all tribes are all getting away with murder... No offense

[liljozie495]

I have to agree with bobcat. We would have some of the best hunting in the state if truckloads werent being hauled out daily

Where are the truckloads pics?

I would like to see those myself. 

Do you have the harvest report for the entire state, that includes the Native % for both Deer and Elk? I'd be interested to see what the % is for the Yakima area that Bobcat is talking about.

Also whats the margin for error on that report,  or how many hunters do they assume or believe didn't report?

No, just the report for the west side tribes on the NWIFC.org website.  I am not sure about the error margin, but I have read from WDFW that the state has about a 60-70% reporting rate on any given year for their annual report.

Do you honestly expect us to believe those numbers in that link you posted of the harvest quotas for whites and Indians? Were not all stupid iv seen a lot of deer in tribal rigs in some those gmus then what's reported there

[huntnnw]

There is nothing WA can do to Indians..document all you want they cant touch them!  Until its changed then nothing will happen. WDFW was called about the elk with its head loped off..they didnt even come up when they were told indians did it.

[Skyvalhunter]

There is nothing more frustrating that flat out wanton waste of a game animal and nothing being done about it. Anytime one of these native american topics pop up the anger builds the hunting/fishing community.

[igotbigbulls]

There is nothing WA can do to Indians..document all you want they cant touch them!  Until its changed then nothing will happen. WDFW was called about the elk with its head loped off..they didnt even come up when they were told indians did it.

Its the same laws for all the tribes around here.  Waste of meat is against the law.  If someone shoots an animal and only takes the antlers that is against the law and they will be treated as such.  I absolutely do not believe that WDFG would turn away to a report of someone only taking the head of an animal regardless of being told the ethnicity.  I know of cases where hunting rights were revoked for doing such things.

[northcoast]

Tribal hunting is just about the #1 issue affecting deer and elk hunting in this state, in my opinion. And the state doesn't seem to care. The tribes are allowed to kill as much as they want, whenever they want. They are even given gate keys so they can drive into areas where everyone else has to walk, as if driving to the tops of mountains is some sort of cultural tradition for them that the white man can't take away.

I disagree as a whole.  While tribes might be a major factor in a specific area.  Maybe your pet area of focus, it is not a major issue or issue at all everywhere.  Bobcat, you have been painting the tribes with a pretty broad paintbrush since I joined this forum.  When you refer to tribes from now on, it would be helpful to everyone if you referred to the specific tribes your are speaking of.

I don't think he needs to when all tribes are all getting away with murder... No offense

So tired of these racist threads.  The same folks bashing natives and blaming every tribe for the decline of hunting opportunities.  There are 24 different tribes and nations that have treaty rights to hunt in this state. Not every tribe or tribal member is to blame.  Yes I agree there are some bad guys but the problem is the individual not the entire nation. 

[Houndhunter]

Tribal hunting is just about the #1 issue affecting deer and elk hunting in this state, in my opinion. And the state doesn't seem to care. The tribes are allowed to kill as much as they want, whenever they want. They are even given gate keys so they can drive into areas where everyone else has to walk, as if driving to the tops of mountains is some sort of cultural tradition for them that the white man can't take away.

I disagree as a whole.  While tribes might be a major factor in a specific area.  Maybe your pet area of focus, it is not a major issue or issue at all everywhere.  Bobcat, you have been painting the tribes with a pretty broad paintbrush since I joined this forum.  When you refer to tribes from now on, it would be helpful to everyone if you referred to the specific tribes your are speaking of.

I don't think he needs to when all tribes are all getting away with murder... No offense

So tired of these racist threads.  The same folks bashing natives and blaming every tribe for the decline of hunting opportunities.  There are 24 different tribes and nations that have treaty rights to hunt in this state. Not every tribe or tribal member is to blame.  Yes I agree there are some bad guys but the problem is the individual not the entire nation.

Pretty sure giving a certain race special privileges is racist no matter how you look at it

[pianoman9701]

Little good ever comes from these threads. Although it's apparent that there's a decrease in the population, I see no specific scientific evidence or clear indication that the Tribes are solely to blame. We all know of instances where individuals are "abusing" (subjective) their tribal rights, but we also know there are many factors at play in ungulate management and declining ungulate numbers besides "what the damn Indians are doing". I have a lot of respect for most of the people on this forum, Native or other. I'd personally like to see more constructive debate and solution-based discussion, and less general bashing of entire groups of people when it's clear that not everyone in those groups are responsible for the actions of the few. In addition, as has been discussed many times here, if you have a problem with tribal rights, this forum zero potential for real change. The proper procedure would be to either address tribal councils with your concerns or approach your US Congressional reps to push for changes in treaty agreements which presently allow harvest counter-indicated by established ungulate management goals - good luck with the latter. Otherwise, it's pee-ing in the wind and getting everyone ticked at each other on here to no positive end. My 

[igotbigbulls]

 

[rtspring]

I have a huge problem with natives taking spike deer in a 3 pt minimum unit.  346 to be exact...  I seen it with my own eyes, shot 20 yards off thd road. 

It should be equal to all parties. It makes a guy sick that we have rules but not all have to follow..

Rtspring