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[pianoman9701]

WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents".   They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. 

Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals.  No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on.  That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses.

Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves.     


Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.

No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.

Money buys influence and power.

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like.  Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.

You're funny. I've got your good fight right here. Their (the WDFW's) outrageous wolf plan is the reason management hasn't begun already with the confirmed 13 packs and estimated 16. We should have a wolf season now. It's their fault we don't. You know it, too. But we all know that your unending love for the wolf and your favorite government institution is never-faltering.

[Alchase]

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like. 

Wow, that is like saying:
 
"we are banning all meat, but you can still have Tofu - hey it's better then us forcing you to be a vegetarian!"

[AspenBud]

WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents".   They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. 

Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals.  No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on.  That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses.

Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves.     


Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.

No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.

Money buys influence and power.

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like.  Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.

You're funny. I've got your good fight right here. Their (the WDFW's) outrageous wolf plan is the reason management hasn't begun already with the confirmed 13 packs and estimated 16. We should have a wolf season now. It's their fault we don't. You know it, too. But we all know that your unending love for the wolf and your favorite government institution is never-faltering.

Who influences WDFW or the people who tell them what to do? Again, who is the puppeteer? It's not WDFW, it's HSUS and their affiliates that are calling the shots via their influence and money. Change that dynamic and you'll see WDFW get more teeth on the matter.

[KFhunter]

Kick Jay Khene off the WDFW commission then, get CNW out of WDFW's decision making process.

[pianoman9701]

WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents".   They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. 

Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals.  No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on.  That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses.

Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves.     


Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.

No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.

Money buys influence and power.

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like.  Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.

You're funny. I've got your good fight right here. Their (the WDFW's) outrageous wolf plan is the reason management hasn't begun already with the confirmed 13 packs and estimated 16. We should have a wolf season now. It's their fault we don't. You know it, too. But we all know that your unending love for the wolf and your favorite government institution is never-faltering.

Who influences WDFW or the people who tell them what to do? Again, who is the puppeteer? It's not WDFW, it's HSUS and their affiliates that are calling the shots via their influence and money. Change that dynamic and you'll see WDFW get more teeth on the matter.

If what you're saying is true, then the entire WDFW administration should be fired for not knowing to whom they're responsible. Going after the HSUS will do no good. But proving a government agency is making wildlife management decisions based on the wishes of an organization from MI and getting them all fired for it just might. Either way, the WDFW is responsible for this mess and for ignoring the needs of our citizens who are affected by it.

[jasnt]

Kick Jay Khene off the WDFW commission then, get CNW out of WDFW's decision making process.

[Elkaholic daWg]

   Psssssssssst,Aspen

 Similarities.... Lower Michigan=BLUE as it gets with Detroit as it's shining star

                       Pugetropolis......Also as blue as it gets...................
               ........and both bullies want control the rest of their state
 now just what party do HSUS, DOW, CNW Sierra Club Nature conservancy and so many others Support?? And who fills the Commission seats?


Any Ideas on just HOW to take away that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yes, Michigan is so blue that it has a Republican governor who supports hunting and turned the heavily unionized state into a Right to Work state and they have a Republican legislature.   

Oh yeah, and they have a wolf season, they still trap, and you can run hounds on bear.

The comparison works to a point, but at the end of it HSUS spends a lot of money on TV ads and on political campaigns to manipulate the issues there and in recent years they have not faired well because sportsmen and livestock owners aimed both barrels at them and fought back and started engaging the public as HSUS does.

HSUS has lost political support there so now they try and take on things through initiative and that's where the LP's influence matters because initiatives circumnavigate the politicians. They pulled it off with dove hunting there and that's why hunting groups have fought so hard to ensure game management decisions are decided and approved by the NRC and not the public. Something HSUS and their affiliates hate.

I think that is why I said LOWER Michigan with Detroit as its  shining star. So the huggers are playing for public emotion there to pass their initiative. Seems most of the rest of the state has come to it's senses. Okay??

 And this question  And who fills the Commission seats?    was pointed at Washington

[wolfbait]

WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents".   They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. 

Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals.  No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on.  That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses.

Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves.     


Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.

No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.

Money buys influence and power.

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like.  Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.

Idahohuntr-You say WDFW are fighting the good fight? The actions by WDFW in just managing predators that that are not on the ESA doesn't support your claim.

Anderson said WDFW was responsible for managing all wildlife, if WDFW were managing the deer etc. there would be better predator control and wolves wouldn't be on the states ESA.

If you took the time to read the info. on the wolf introduction into ID, MT, and Wyoming you would learn that WDFW are following the same plan as the USFWS. And as we are seeing getting the same results.

The only difference is WDFW refusing to confirm wolf packs or BP's unless forced to do so, which didn't happen until later on with the USFWS introduction.

The Real FWS Wolf Recovery Agenda
That agenda has been promoted in “Society for Conservation Biology” publications by federal biologists involved in wolf recovery since Canadian wolves were first transplanted. David Mech’s “The Challenge and Opportunity of Recovering Wolf Populations” appeared in the 1995 Volume. 9(2) issue of “Conservation Biology.”
In 2001, environmental groups, including The Nature Conservancy and the World Wildlife Fund, joined with the National Park Service in creating a more sophisticated magazine called “Conservation Magazine” designed to sell the wildlands/biodiversity agenda to academia. In 2004 FWS Wolf Team Leader Ed Bangs praised a BS thesis by a biology student concerning non- lethal wolf “control” (later published in Conservation) and announced he had hired her as a wolf “specialist”.
Wildlife biologists in all three recovery states knew about the numbers deception but only Wyoming G&F, under pressure from its Governor, attempted to hold FWS to the original de-listing criteria. IDFG Director Groen’s Jan. 14th News Release declared the Department’s intention only to “stabilize” (halt the dramatic annual increase in) existing wolf populations in Idaho.
Because IDFG estimates Idaho had a minimum population of 732 wolves in the fall of 2007 that means F&G intended to maintain a minimum of at least seven times as many wolves in Idaho as we were told would exist after recovery. But pretending that the biologists’ estimated minimum fall wolf population is near the actual wolf population is simply another deception misleading Idahoans and their elected officials as will be illustrated later in this article.
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, any copyrighted material herein is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

[idahohuntr]

WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents".   They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. 

Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals.  No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on.  That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses.

Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves.     


Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.

No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.

Money buys influence and power.

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like.  Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.

Idahohuntr-You say WDFW are fighting the good fight? The actions by WDFW in just managing predators that that are not on the ESA doesn't support your claim.

Anderson said WDFW was responsible for managing all wildlife, if WDFW were managing the deer etc. there would be better predator control and wolves wouldn't be on the states ESA.

If you took the time to read the info. on the wolf introduction into ID, MT, and Wyoming you would learn that WDFW are following the same plan as the USFWS. And as we are seeing getting the same results.

Wolfbait - I'm not saying wdfw has gotten everything we would like as hunters in this state, nor am I implying they have done everything correctly or made perfect decisions all the time.  What I am saying is, they have, in a difficult political environment walked a tight-rope to keep the ultra greenies from taking over.  I think wdfw has less control over wolves than they would like.  You must admit, it would be a lot easier for wdfw to not authorize any wolf killings...but they are doing what is right and being as aggressive in management as current politics will allow.  They are definitely sticking their necks out when they pursue lethal wolf management...its a shame it is that way, but I don't see any value in alienating wdfw...if they (wdfw) feel they have lost their support from sportsmen...then why make life difficult??  They can just call CNW and ask what they want them to do.  I realize your perception is that is what happens now...but I assure you it is not.  These greenie groups are as critical of wdfw as you are   

If Wa ends up like Id, Mt, Wy...I would be happy.  It would mean most of the state will be left in good shape with plenty of good hunting opportunity.  For a guy skeptical of everything the government says, I really wish you would head over to a few areas in these various states and see that it is not all the destruction and devastation you seem to imply.  Like I've said earlier, its usually the guys that don't hunt these other states that scream the loudest about the impacts (both real and exaggerated).

[Stein]

In Montana, hunters and trappers harvested a piddly 225 wolves in the 12-13 season and it was up 36%.  Hunters shot 128 wolves during the 181 days.  18,642 licenses were sold.

Compare that to JUST elk licenses at 107,568 and harvest of about 20,000.  Less than one in five elk hunters purchases a license.  Less than 2 in 1,000 elk hunters shoot a wolf.  Probably 9 in 10 complain about wolves killing elk.

If 1% of just the elk hunters shot a wolf, the harvest would go up over 500% in one year.

[wolfbait]

WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents".   They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. 

Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals.  No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on.  That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses.

Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves.     


Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.

No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.

Money buys influence and power.

Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like.  Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.

Idahohuntr-You say WDFW are fighting the good fight? The actions by WDFW in just managing predators that that are not on the ESA doesn't support your claim.

Anderson said WDFW was responsible for managing all wildlife, if WDFW were managing the deer etc. there would be better predator control and wolves wouldn't be on the states ESA.

If you took the time to read the info. on the wolf introduction into ID, MT, and Wyoming you would learn that WDFW are following the same plan as the USFWS. And as we are seeing getting the same results.

Wolfbait - I'm not saying wdfw has gotten everything we would like as hunters in this state, nor am I implying they have done everything correctly or made perfect decisions all the time.  What I am saying is, they have, in a difficult political environment walked a tight-rope to keep the ultra greenies from taking over.  I think wdfw has less control over wolves than they would like.  You must admit, it would be a lot easier for wdfw to not authorize any wolf killings...but they are doing what is right and being as aggressive in management as current politics will allow.  They are definitely sticking their necks out when they pursue lethal wolf management...its a shame it is that way, but I don't see any value in alienating wdfw...if they (wdfw) feel they have lost their support from sportsmen...then why make life difficult??  They can just call CNW and ask what they want them to do.  I realize your perception is that is what happens now...but I assure you it is not.  These greenie groups are as critical of wdfw as you are  

If Wa ends up like Id, Mt, Wy...I would be happy.  It would mean most of the state will be left in good shape with plenty of good hunting opportunity.  For a guy skeptical of everything the government says, I really wish you would head over to a few areas in these various states and see that it is not all the destruction and devastation you seem to imply.  Like I've said earlier, its usually the guys that don't hunt these other states that scream the loudest about the impacts (both real and exaggerated).

"These greenie groups are as critical of wdfw as you are"

It's just a game, which you already know. WDFW are in bed with the green groups and have been for some time, it just didn't start in 08. Defenders of Wildlife, CNW etc., the USFWS and WDFW all worked together back in the 1980's and 90's with the grizzly bear and wolf push. How would it look to the public if WDFW openly embraced  DoW, etc.? Do you remember when WDFW had DoW on their web site? I believe it's still there just hidden a bit more. Bearpaw remembers I'm sure.


In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

Then, and now

http://www.conservationnw.org/who-we-are/conservation-northwest

[idahohuntr]

I don't think managing our wildlife is "just a game".

[Wenatcheejay]

Which higher management person has stated they support a wolf hunting and trapping season in WDFW?  Who has admitted the "pack identification program is propaganda? " Who supports following Idaho in the Eastern part of Washington? Who admits that it is definitely not at a loss for wolves? Who is not lockstep with Defenders of Wildlife? Seriously, until hunters are like the Second Amendment Foundation and suing WDFW more aggressively than the econuts, suing ti the point that hiring and pensions can not be done, we lose. Lawsuits, it's how it's played now.

[idahohuntr]

Which higher management person has stated they support a wolf hunting and trapping season in WDFW?  Who has admitted the "pack identification program is propaganda? " Who supports following Idaho in the Eastern part of Washington? Who admits that it is definitely not at a loss for wolves? Who is not lockstep with Defenders of Wildlife? Seriously, until hunters are like the Second Amendment Foundation and suing WDFW more aggressively than the econuts, suing ti the point that hiring and pensions can not be done, we lose. Lawsuits, it's how it's played now.

A bunch of baseless lawsuits will not help anything. 

[Wenatcheejay]

Until they fear pro-hunting more than anti-hunting this is worthless. This isn't about biology or ecosystems, it's politics. Hunters eat their own. It's our fault. It's why we loose.