Got fired!

[lamrith]

Couple of things.

• Very sorry that you not only lost your pistol, but that you lost your job.  The Anti gun people really are getting rediculous.
• Unfortunately, your vehicle is on their private property, so their rules/rights trump yours.  If not for the break in, it obviously was never an issue, but once found the company can take drastic action if they wish.  again: The Anti gun people really are getting rediculous.
• STUDENTS are specifically exempt and not allowed to bring weapons to school per WA law. (RCW 9.41.280  states no weapons, but then subsection 3 provides exceptions which specifically note nonstudents).  It has nothing to do with the school's wishes and is very different than a company making rules for their property.  However It IS legal to have a gun ON SCHOOL GROUNDS and locked in your vehicle here in WA if you are not a student.  If you have CPL you can even carry outside of your vehicle IF you are there picking up or dropping off your child.  You may NOT however enter any school buildings with your weapon.
• I would pursue your legal options, but I have a feeling they will win out.  The way the laws are here, an employer can terminate for any reason, at any time with no notice.  They could just backtrack and say they didn't like the way you breath or that you forgot to put a period at the end of a sentence on some paperwork.
• You are better off not working there if they are that hardcore against our 2A rights.

Maybe share with us what your background is, we can get a HuntWa hiring service going...

[Toptwo]

Do you think that means kids can bring guns to school and keep them in their vehicles.

 There was a time when that wasn't an issue either. In high school there was useualy a rifle in my truck, and nobody realy seemed to care

  I have talked to many friends about this same thing. I grew up in Port Angeles, during hunting season almost every truck at school had a rifle or shotgun or both hanging in the rifle rack in the back window. As soon as school was over for the day we headed for the woods, or out to the Voice of America for some hunting...man how things have changed!

[billythekidrock]

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

[huntingaddiction]

I know it is a fire at will state.  However they stated a reason they fired me.  My boss had no idea what was happening so I have a witness he is not happy.  Lamrith I know the laws they also state that a corporation's(which this is) no gun signs have no legal standing.  Therefore this could be a violation of my second amendment rights.  Sorry I probably sound harsh and that is not the case.  Even with all that is going on right now I am enjoying this discussion.

By the way if anybody is looking for a 7 year navy veteran with experience as an Avionics Electrician Technician let me know.

[baldopepper]

 

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

A company can set virtually any employment standards they want as long as they don't violate discrimination laws (age, sex, religion, race).  We've run into this on the new marijuana laws.  Legal to use but, if you test positive for it, we will fire you and the courts have already upheld this right of the employer.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but if you are informed prior to hiring (your initials prove you were informed) you have no legal recourse.

[CP]

How many of you are reading this right now at work and have a firearm in your vehicle?

[huntingaddiction]

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

I kind of agree with this.  However there are no signs in the parking lot.  My truck is legally my property no matter where it is parked.

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

[huntingaddiction]

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

A company can set virtually any employment standards they want as long as they don't violate discrimination laws (age, sex, religion, race).  We've run into this on the new marijuana laws.  Legal to use but, if you test positive for it, we will fire you and the courts have already upheld this right of the employer.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but if you are informed prior to hiring (your initials prove you were informed) you have no legal recourse.

That is interesting because I was informed after I was hired.  Also that is not completely true if you read the concealed weapon laws of Washington only certain places have restricted gun use.  They are stated in the law and it says nobody else can legally restrict it.

[xd2005]

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

I kind of agree with this.  However there are no signs in the parking lot.  My truck is legally my property no matter where it is parked.

However, your property was parked on their property, therefore fell under their rules. Signs do not matter, assuming it is part of your employee handbook that indicates firearms are not allowed on company grounds.

[xd2005]

OK I know this is going to sound crazy but my luck has been the worst today.  I was working a late night shift at my company.  I walked out to find my truck broken into(window smashed) and my concealed weapon gone.  When I got into work this afternoon they fired me for having a firearm on company property.  Saying that because it was in my locked vehicle out of sight does not make it a concealed weapon.  Legally it does.  I had initialed a document saying I understood firearms were not allowed on the premises including the parking lot.  However, wouldn't my truck be my private property?  Advice?

You initialed that you knew it was against policy to have a firearm in their parking lot.

 If your firearm was stolen from your truck while it was in their parking lot there is not a lot you can do. You knowingly violated company policy in an "at will" state....Double whammy.

A company can set virtually any employment standards they want as long as they don't violate discrimination laws (age, sex, religion, race).  We've run into this on the new marijuana laws.  Legal to use but, if you test positive for it, we will fire you and the courts have already upheld this right of the employer.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but if you are informed prior to hiring (your initials prove you were informed) you have no legal recourse.

That is interesting because I was informed after I was hired.  Also that is not completely true if you read the concealed weapon laws of Washington only certain places have restricted gun use.  They are stated in the law and it says nobody else can legally restrict it.

In my experience, I have always received the employee handbook post-employment (generally the first day when I get there). If this had occurred on the very first day before receiving a copy of the employee handbook, I could see feigning ignorance, however, it sounds like it was a company policy and you were aware of it prior to bringing it onto company grounds, therefore, timing of when you learned the policy seems irrelevant to me.

[buckhorn2]

Whatever the answer is that just sucks when someone does that. Shows just why the background checks don't mean as much when the bad guys just steal theres hope your next job is a good one.

[huntingaddiction]

OK throw out the employee handbook for a minute.  In Washington state when it come to concealed weapons it does not matter.  They cannot be more strict than the state.  It is in the States Preemption!

[huntingaddiction]

Thanks Buckhorn!

[xd2005]

OK throw out the employee handbook for a minute.  In Washington state when it come to concealed weapons it does not matter.  They cannot be more strict than the state.  It is in the States Preemption!

State preemption merely limits local governments from making laws that are more strict than state law, it does not limit private property rights.

[gr8whthunter]

Do you think that means kids can bring guns to school and keep them in their vehicles.

 There was a time when that wasn't an issue either. In high school there was useualy a rifle in my truck, and nobody realy seemed to care

  I have talked to many friends about this same thing. I grew up in Port Angeles, during hunting season almost every truck at school had a rifle or shotgun or both hanging in the rifle rack in the back window. As soon as school was over for the day we headed for the woods, or out to the Voice of America for some hunting...man how things have changed!

i live and grew up in port angeles as well, and when i was in high school it was the same, during hunting season there was always my rifle in my truck right in the center in between the seats uncover or other guys with a rifle in the gun rack in the back window and we had a couple ladies that drove around and did a sweep of the parking lot every day (if you remember it was shorty or mary kay? or sherel?) that was 7 years ago now though

and now i have a cousin that went to school there last year and during hunting season the teachers/staff at the high school told all the students they had to park off property if they had there hunting rifles with them but that was just the lower parking lot which wasnt a big deal its where they normally parked anyway, but staff told them that. and if they parked on premisis and teachers saw a firearm they would just go to there class and kindly remind them "hey you need to go repark" and didnt treat it as a big deal.

and sorry for your loss of job, but as my current job is, it is private property and reasonable, if having a CPL or even a peace officer card you cannot have a firearm in your vehicle on premisis or it will result in diciplinary action