Got fired!

[huntingaddiction]

They get both.  I disagree with a lot you are saying.  A private business is not private property.  And if it is let's go talk to all the shareholders in the company and see what they think.

[Knocker of rocks]

They get both.  I disagree with a lot you are saying.  A private business is not private property.  And if it is let's go talk to all the shareholders in the company and see what they think.

I didn't "say" anything, I asked questions for you to answer.

  And if it is let's go talk to all the shareholders in the company and see what they think.

You are free to buy stock in the company, attend a share holds meeting and petition the board.

Heck, you can even run for COB.

[huntingaddiction]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me. 

[Knocker of rocks]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

[Fl0und3rz]

I'm the one of which you are thinking. You're wrong, but I'm the one.

I believe in private property rights. I also believe that business owners also retain those rights. You can disagree, that's fine, I think it's a stretch to call that a liberal ideal, however.

your not a liberal then?

Where are you going with this? Are you saying if someone disagrees with you, they are liberal? Are you saying that if a liberal says 2+2=4, they're wrong, because they are a liberal?

Standard fare here

Not quite, but whatever hyperbole floats your boat.  csaaphill is taking it to extremes.  I would agree with XD2005's assessment of current jurisprudence, and I don't think I have ever been accused of being a liberal.

[Mike450r]

This is getting ridiculous.  The same logic would apply to the first amendment I presume and a person should be able to march into their bosses office and call him/her an A-hole without repercussion.

[huntingaddiction]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

WOW, four pages and counting. 

First off sorry for you losing your firearm and your job.  Times are tough enough wihtout making it worse. 

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

You know your right they have drug testing yet when somebody I know failed she kept her job.  I have heard other stories of it too.  Some of the bosses involvements.  Its all politics.  I had only had the job for about a month.  They were supposed to have security in the parking lot.  They do just not on my shift. “There weren't enough people there.”  But I'm not allowed carry.  I got a really good idea here if you don't like it stop reading it.  I was trying to get some advice not listen to you preach your version of how you think it goes.  Unfortunately there is a lot to this.

[Bob33]

There is no federal or state law in Washington state which prohibits a private employer from having a policy which bans guns on their premises. You voluntarily agreed to work for the employer, and voluntarily agreed to abide by their policies. I don’t believe you have any legal recourse for the termination.

Many employers are far more concerned with the potential liability of having a firearms related incident occur on their property than they are about protecting someone’s right to possess a firearm on their property.

Working for an employer that doesn’t provide adequate security for employee vehicles, and would fire an employee under these circumstances would cause me to seek employment elsewhere.

Legal action is not likely to result in a favorable outcome for you, and most likely wouldn’t help your chances of getting employed elsewhere.

[TheHunt]

The company I work for does not allow weapons on the property.  So I leave mine at home.  Sorry to hear about your situation.

[Knocker of rocks]

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued I would have had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

http://safelelo.com

Would have saved his job and prevented a crook with a gun

[Fl0und3rz]

There is no federal or state law in Washington state which prohibits a private employer from having a policy which bans guns on their premises. You voluntarily agreed to work for the employer, and voluntarily agreed to abide by their policies. I don’t believe you have any legal recourse for the termination.

Many employers are far more concerned with the potential liability of having a firearms related incident occur on their property than they are about protecting someone’s right to possess a firearm on their property.

Working for an employer that doesn’t provide adequate security for employee vehicles, and would fire an employee under these circumstances would cause me to seek employment elsewhere.

Legal action is not likely to result in a favorable outcome for you, and most likely wouldn’t help your chances of getting employed elsewhere.

But it would likely keep some shyster lawyer in beer and sammiches for a while.   I reiterate.  Sorry for your loss, but your time and money is better spent seeking new employment. 

[csaaphill]

Well whatever you decide hope it all works out for ya.
looks like divide and conquere works even in our ranks 
If you sue let me/us know if not oh well.
Moving on might be the easiest way but not always the best.
looks like old dead peoples quotes have no bearing in our society for if it did you wouldn't hear some of these ludricous responces!
LEt me know when people have a back bone!
One of these days you wont have no where else to go but to comply completly with them or turn them in which is where this is going!
"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)
 
"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)
 won't or don't mean much but there you go still!

[jay.sharkbait]

The company I work for does not allow weapons on the property.  So I leave mine at home.  Sorry to hear about your situation.

The company I work for encourages it's employees to be armed at all times

Crazy............

[Dan-o]

 Anyone who thinks that they ever had a constitutional right to carry weapons onto another's private property - against the property owners wishes - has a badly biased understanding of history.

It is just as wrong for the government to mandate that a business must permit “open carry” or “concealed carry” on its property as it is for the government to mandate that a business must not permit “open carry” or “concealed carry” on its property. And any American has the natural right to possess any weapon on his own property or the property of anyone else that allows such weapons.

[Special T]

If you really want business to allow open or CC then just get a law passed that exempts them from liability if one of their employees shoots someone while on the job. MOST businesses prevent employees from carrying because of liability not because they care one way or the other.