head shots with a bow

[jackelope]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

Sort of like long range hunting?

Or when you burn a lot of gas?


What's long range hunting?

When you walk a long ways 

You need a tack driver for that?

[longrangekiller]

i got in a huge argument with guys on a hunting page on facebook a while back there was like 15 guys saying im a idiot wasting meat taking lung shots lol wtf is wrong with people!

[Bob33]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

Sort of like long range hunting?

Or when you burn a lot of gas?


What's long range hunting?

When you walk a long ways 

You need a tack driver for that?

In 338.

[kentrek]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

Sort of like long range hunting?

Or when you burn a lot of gas?


What's long range hunting?

When you walk a long ways 

You need a tack driver for that?

In 338.

Is that the bow speed or unit number

So confused


 

[lokidog]

Shoe size in mm?   

[jackelope]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

Sort of like long range hunting?

Or when you burn a lot of gas?


What's long range hunting?

When you walk a long ways 

You need a tack driver for that?

In 338.

Is that the bow speed or unit number

So confused


 

.338
Win mag
Lapua
Edge
So many possibilities.

[nacheshunter]

I dont post here much, but does anyone remember that post by I think it was biggerhammer of the spike his relative shot this year?  Just goes to show head shots arent the best choice.

[Bob33]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

Sort of like long range hunting?

Or when you burn a lot of gas?


What's long range hunting?

When you walk a long ways 

You need a tack driver for that?

In 338.

Is that the bow speed or unit number

So confused


 

Check the OP's name.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Hit this guy with the  hammer. Clearly doesn't contribute anything positive to this forum.

I better add in there that I shoot a Mathews 

[longrangehunter338]

FACEBOOK PAGE : BLACKTAIL DEER HUNTING ( the original one, a HOWTOHUNT.com chapter)

It will show the trail cam video of the buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. Read the comments below and you will see that there are those that advocate taking head shots with their bow.



Dave Tunstall I don't think anyone would intentionally try a headshot with a bow. At least, I sure hope not. It should be clear that there's not enough energy to make a lethal wound. I'm assuming (hoping) it was just a REALLY bad shot.


Dylan Webb It can be done you just have to be a man about it and draw at least 70 pounds.


John Cooper Yeah ^ my buddies dad killed a bull elk by a head shot so it can be done and lethal too


Dylan Webb I've seen "on TV" a guy kill a Grizzly with an archery head shot.


Joseph Mark Still a stupid idea.


Emmett D. Wortman Lethal, it is possible, but, VERY, UNETHICAL AND IMPRACTICAL.


Dorian Buhler Stupid.


Dylan Webb Only if you miss


Brandon Mauseth Yes can be done but y take the chance??? Just plain stupid


Brad Molash Lmao.really? Be man about it and make an ethical shot for christ sakes


Emmett D. Wortman Dylan Webb, you can read any professional literature and this a very unethic shot. If it is to save your life and it is a last resort, maybe.


Austin Powell Depend who u are. If u think its a good shot take it. If u don't like the shot then simply don't shoot. If I think its ethical to shoot one in the knee and u don't....who are u to stop me


Brandon Mauseth Lmao!!! Just watch the vid it's not a good shot and anyone should not be proud of it!!!!


Emmett D. Wortman With a bow any one who thinks it is ethical is an idiot.


Gary Pendergast Late season archery is killing off the great bucks guys but you are destroying the herds!


Brad Molash If you think a head shot with a bow is ethical ur a bonehead and shouldn't be hunting with one


Austin Powell If it dies it clearly an ethical shot

Tyson Jamesew Healon The i ideas a quick clean kill.. With no suffering to the animal.. I promise that buck was in some real pain.


Brandon Sullivan Hey, brad do you thing the clackamas will have catchable nuber of fish next week if its not blown out?


Ryan Clark Not saying how I feel about this, but plenty of animals get away no matter where you aim to shoot. To me this is no different then seeing a buck with an arrow in the body that lived.


Cory McCall I've take three deer , two pigs now with head shots but would never try from the side of the head just head on. Drops them in there tracks


Emmett D. Wortman Austin Powell, that is not logical thinking. Just because the shot kills, does not mean it is ethical. That is like saying the average hunter should take a 500 yard shot and if it kills, it's fine. What about the times it does not kill and you end up with a wounded animal?


Jack G Friend I bet that hurt when he was in tight brush.


Jonathan Vandervelden Head moves to much, kill zone to small, very painfull and slow death and it looks horrible for archery hunters and give them a bad name if people see deer with arrows sticking out I there heads


Jay Graves Somebody killed that deer. It was on one of these other pages.


Joseph Mark Wyatt Sebright you gotta see some of this


Jack G Friend Is that string on the front fork too?


Beau Moody Michael Johnson


Greg van Loo Hopefully doesn't kill him when he hits it on something


Brad Molash LmaoBrandon Sullivan, very fishy:)


Austin Powell Emmet and joseph I am a hunter. And don't even try to deny that u haven't shot an animal with no recovery. Cause if u do ur jusll bull headed. *censored* happens when ur in the woods. And I never said I liked knee shots. I said if I did than that my prefence I can shoot how I want


Emmett D. Wortman And you are right, you can take whatever idiotic, stupid, UNETHICAL shot you want.


Austin Powell Well either way. If I intentional aim for the for head and it quickly turns its head and I don't hit it good. Nothing I could do about that


Austin Powell Head shot is an easy shot



Emmett D. Wortman Other than shoot the vital area and potentially get a good shot. The more you talk Austin, honestly, the more you prove you should not handle a weapon.



Austin Powell Y cause I could kill a deer by shooting it in the head. Sound like a good marksman to me


John Vaughn Take out the pump station everything stops fast and ethical.


Joseph Mark Austin you just proved why you shouldn't shoot at the head. The more you talk the deeper you get ahha.


Austin Powell Joseph if I shoot any were at a deer and it moves my shot could be thrown off. Abd if that's the case no one should hunt


Matt Fowler I have shot a deer in the head before, was a great shot didn't blood shot any meat and the animal was in zero pain. So I honestly have nothing bad to say with head shots if u can get a good shot


Matt Fowler Uhh idk the shot would have to be absolutely perfect for me to even thing about it but idk if I even would then


John Vaughn I am sooooooo glad I was tought how to hunt by a wise man who tought me hunting ethics with rifle and bow, not by a hotshot trying to prove himself to his friends.


Nick Birddog Liday Here's the thing, I have respect for the wild game that I chase and kill. And as a hunter that respect obligates me to place an ethical shot that will end the animals life as quickly and efficiently as possible. You argue with that point and you've just dunce capped yourselves. Enjoy the evening.


Julien Dickie I just seen this guy mounted. Thankfully someone put him out of his misery.


Justin McClaughry 70lb draw alone ain't gonna cut it... HEAVY ARROW HEAVY BROADHEAD AND A BOW THAT CAN BE SHOT AT IBO SPEEDS BY A GANGLY TALL GUY. if your not putting KINETIC ENERGY down range you better just take a seat and let the rest of us do the bow hunting


Nick Birddog Liday Hrrrm 60 lbs won't cut through the chest and fillet the heart for me? I better get back in the gym!



Nick Birddog Liday they do! I deleted that cause I didn't want to be so mean, but in light of your humorous response I should've left it!



John Vaughn Wait I'm short with a short draw 80 lb should work lol need the power for them tough pump stations.


Justin McClaughry Lol... I'm just saying that if your gonna think your arrow is a bone smasher you'd better had done the calculations to know your Kinetic energy,


Nick Birddog Liday No in all honesty I read your comment wrong. I completely agree. Don't take shots you can't confidently know are going to ethically kill your game.



Randy Bonner This is why anytime I hear some *censored* about "Hunt with a bow, give the deer a chance!" I ask them "A chance for what? Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?"



Justin McClaughry Headshots can be done on deer with a bow, BUT it takes a very high speed bow slingin around 550+grains to GUARANTEE that it'll be successful. Brass inserts FOR SURE!



Justin McClaughry I know a lot of rifle hunters who screw up and wound animals too, only difference they did it 200yds away



Emmett D. Wortman Still think it's BS, but I will do more research.



Justin McClaughry Actually if someone does the actual research on it I'd love to see the results for needed kinetic energy.


Sean Marston NEVER shoot a bow at at a deer in the head. Jesus *censored*. Don't get me wrong, I shot a pig in the head at 40 yards, square between the eyes, and luckily it worked, it was more of a test since pigs are more like rats to me, but I would never try that on a deer.



Sean Marston Kinetic energy is a huge factor, but I feel the biggest is the angle. I wouldn't have tried the shot on the pig if his head was up.

Anything different then a 90 degree the arrow is gonna connect and be thrown off course. *censored*, a tall blade of grass throws arrows off it's mark. There's too much room for error to even attempt it on a deer.

Joshua Foster Any living animal should get equal respect when out harvesting them.

My first comment wasnt aimed at you sean.

Sean Marston I didn't think it was. Ha I was just adding after thinking about it more.


Steve Isdahl sometimes '*censored* happens' and what may 'look' was a planned headshot , may not really be what happened ! I remember years ago when I was around 18 I finally had a crack at a monster blacktail I had been after for a while. The adrenaline was over load to say the least !! At the time , I shot bare bow ( no sites) and a finger tab and as well I am left eye dominant but shoot a bow right handed ( a gun left handed) . Anyway , for whatever reasons it happened , I must have 'pulled' my release and the damned arrow nailed him at the base of his antler...and he took off with a new aluminum antenna !!!! Oh man was I upset... but it was a srew up , not planned.... *censored* happens....lol


Emmett D. Wortman Again, I do not believe we are taking about accidents here, we are talking intentional shot placement.


Emmett D. Wortman I am only going to say that a 15 minute or so search of the net reveals that head shots are unethical in what appears to be a VAST majority of ethical hunters.

Emmett D. Wortman From long time outdoor writer Chuck Hawks:


Emmett D. Wortman Do not attempt brain shots (or head shots of any kind). The brain is very small and animals constantly move and turn their heads, even when they are standing still. Do not attempt neck shots. The neck is large, but the spinal cord inside is small and difficult to sever. Both brain and neck shots are deadly if perfectly executed, as they shut down the central nervous system, but if the bullet is off only an inch or two the animal is very likely to escape and be lost, only to die hours or days later.

[longrangehunter338]

I'm not sure where you have read posts that they are "taken this way all the time" other than on anti-hunting sites.  Responsible hunters know this; you very well should know this; and bringing it up in a public forum is only an attempt to incite a reaction.  I suggest thinking before typing in cases like this.

Seems from previous posts that this is the intent of this OP.   

If the group page, Blacktail hunting is an anti-hunting page I would really like to know.

[longrangehunter338]

Interestingly, the OP hasn't been back to respond to any allegations that he had other than good intentions, when starting this thread...

If I found myself being accused of something, that I wasn't guilty of, you'd best bet I'd be responding, forthwith! However, if I were being accused of something, that I WAS guilty of, I'd probably be feeling ashamed, and not likely to respond as quickly...

 

[longrangehunter338]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

Sort of like long range hunting?

How about you read what my long range hunting is and then make comments like that. out of a backpack burning leather not shooting long distances. It is good that you assume though which makes total sense, you are a sitka blacktail.

[jackelope]

Just saw a trail cam video of a blacktail buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. I read posts from guys stating that elk and deer are taken this way all the time. This seems a bit on the irresponsible side of thinking.

FACEBOOK PAGE : BLACKTAIL DEER HUNTING ( the original one, a HOWTOHUNT.com chapter)

It will show the trail cam video of the buck with an arrow sticking out of its head. Read the comments below and you will see that there are those that advocate taking head shots with their bow.



Dave Tunstall I don't think anyone would intentionally try a headshot with a bow. At least, I sure hope not. It should be clear that there's not enough energy to make a lethal wound. I'm assuming (hoping) it was just a REALLY bad shot.


Dylan Webb It can be done you just have to be a man about it and draw at least 70 pounds.


John Cooper Yeah ^ my buddies dad killed a bull elk by a head shot so it can be done and lethal too


Dylan Webb I've seen "on TV" a guy kill a Grizzly with an archery head shot.


Joseph Mark Still a stupid idea.


Emmett D. Wortman Lethal, it is possible, but, VERY, UNETHICAL AND IMPRACTICAL.


Dorian Buhler Stupid.


Dylan Webb Only if you miss


Brandon Mauseth Yes can be done but y take the chance??? Just plain stupid


Brad Molash Lmao.really? Be man about it and make an ethical shot for christ sakes


Emmett D. Wortman Dylan Webb, you can read any professional literature and this a very unethic shot. If it is to save your life and it is a last resort, maybe.


Austin Powell Depend who u are. If u think its a good shot take it. If u don't like the shot then simply don't shoot. If I think its ethical to shoot one in the knee and u don't....who are u to stop me


Brandon Mauseth Lmao!!! Just watch the vid it's not a good shot and anyone should not be proud of it!!!!


Emmett D. Wortman With a bow any one who thinks it is ethical is an idiot.


Gary Pendergast Late season archery is killing off the great bucks guys but you are destroying the herds!


Brad Molash If you think a head shot with a bow is ethical ur a bonehead and shouldn't be hunting with one


Austin Powell If it dies it clearly an ethical shot

Tyson Jamesew Healon The i ideas a quick clean kill.. With no suffering to the animal.. I promise that buck was in some real pain.


Brandon Sullivan Hey, brad do you thing the clackamas will have catchable nuber of fish next week if its not blown out?


Ryan Clark Not saying how I feel about this, but plenty of animals get away no matter where you aim to shoot. To me this is no different then seeing a buck with an arrow in the body that lived.


Cory McCall I've take three deer , two pigs now with head shots but would never try from the side of the head just head on. Drops them in there tracks


Emmett D. Wortman Austin Powell, that is not logical thinking. Just because the shot kills, does not mean it is ethical. That is like saying the average hunter should take a 500 yard shot and if it kills, it's fine. What about the times it does not kill and you end up with a wounded animal?


Jack G Friend I bet that hurt when he was in tight brush.


Jonathan Vandervelden Head moves to much, kill zone to small, very painfull and slow death and it looks horrible for archery hunters and give them a bad name if people see deer with arrows sticking out I there heads


Jay Graves Somebody killed that deer. It was on one of these other pages.


Joseph Mark Wyatt Sebright you gotta see some of this


Jack G Friend Is that string on the front fork too?


Beau Moody Michael Johnson


Greg van Loo Hopefully doesn't kill him when he hits it on something


Brad Molash LmaoBrandon Sullivan, very fishy:)


Austin Powell Emmet and joseph I am a hunter. And don't even try to deny that u haven't shot an animal with no recovery. Cause if u do ur jusll bull headed. *censored* happens when ur in the woods. And I never said I liked knee shots. I said if I did than that my prefence I can shoot how I want


Emmett D. Wortman And you are right, you can take whatever idiotic, stupid, UNETHICAL shot you want.


Austin Powell Well either way. If I intentional aim for the for head and it quickly turns its head and I don't hit it good. Nothing I could do about that


Austin Powell Head shot is an easy shot



Emmett D. Wortman Other than shoot the vital area and potentially get a good shot. The more you talk Austin, honestly, the more you prove you should not handle a weapon.



Austin Powell Y cause I could kill a deer by shooting it in the head. Sound like a good marksman to me


John Vaughn Take out the pump station everything stops fast and ethical.


Joseph Mark Austin you just proved why you shouldn't shoot at the head. The more you talk the deeper you get ahha.


Austin Powell Joseph if I shoot any were at a deer and it moves my shot could be thrown off. Abd if that's the case no one should hunt


Matt Fowler I have shot a deer in the head before, was a great shot didn't blood shot any meat and the animal was in zero pain. So I honestly have nothing bad to say with head shots if u can get a good shot


Matt Fowler Uhh idk the shot would have to be absolutely perfect for me to even thing about it but idk if I even would then


John Vaughn I am sooooooo glad I was tought how to hunt by a wise man who tought me hunting ethics with rifle and bow, not by a hotshot trying to prove himself to his friends.


Nick Birddog Liday Here's the thing, I have respect for the wild game that I chase and kill. And as a hunter that respect obligates me to place an ethical shot that will end the animals life as quickly and efficiently as possible. You argue with that point and you've just dunce capped yourselves. Enjoy the evening.


Julien Dickie I just seen this guy mounted. Thankfully someone put him out of his misery.


Justin McClaughry 70lb draw alone ain't gonna cut it... HEAVY ARROW HEAVY BROADHEAD AND A BOW THAT CAN BE SHOT AT IBO SPEEDS BY A GANGLY TALL GUY. if your not putting KINETIC ENERGY down range you better just take a seat and let the rest of us do the bow hunting


Nick Birddog Liday Hrrrm 60 lbs won't cut through the chest and fillet the heart for me? I better get back in the gym!



Nick Birddog Liday they do! I deleted that cause I didn't want to be so mean, but in light of your humorous response I should've left it!



John Vaughn Wait I'm short with a short draw 80 lb should work lol need the power for them tough pump stations.


Justin McClaughry Lol... I'm just saying that if your gonna think your arrow is a bone smasher you'd better had done the calculations to know your Kinetic energy,


Nick Birddog Liday No in all honesty I read your comment wrong. I completely agree. Don't take shots you can't confidently know are going to ethically kill your game.



Randy Bonner This is why anytime I hear some *censored* about "Hunt with a bow, give the deer a chance!" I ask them "A chance for what? Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?"



Justin McClaughry Headshots can be done on deer with a bow, BUT it takes a very high speed bow slingin around 550+grains to GUARANTEE that it'll be successful. Brass inserts FOR SURE!



Justin McClaughry I know a lot of rifle hunters who screw up and wound animals too, only difference they did it 200yds away



Emmett D. Wortman Still think it's BS, but I will do more research.



Justin McClaughry Actually if someone does the actual research on it I'd love to see the results for needed kinetic energy.


Sean Marston NEVER shoot a bow at at a deer in the head. Jesus *censored*. Don't get me wrong, I shot a pig in the head at 40 yards, square between the eyes, and luckily it worked, it was more of a test since pigs are more like rats to me, but I would never try that on a deer.



Sean Marston Kinetic energy is a huge factor, but I feel the biggest is the angle. I wouldn't have tried the shot on the pig if his head was up.

Anything different then a 90 degree the arrow is gonna connect and be thrown off course. *censored*, a tall blade of grass throws arrows off it's mark. There's too much room for error to even attempt it on a deer.

Joshua Foster Any living animal should get equal respect when out harvesting them.

My first comment wasnt aimed at you sean.

Sean Marston I didn't think it was. Ha I was just adding after thinking about it more.


Steve Isdahl sometimes '*censored* happens' and what may 'look' was a planned headshot , may not really be what happened ! I remember years ago when I was around 18 I finally had a crack at a monster blacktail I had been after for a while. The adrenaline was over load to say the least !! At the time , I shot bare bow ( no sites) and a finger tab and as well I am left eye dominant but shoot a bow right handed ( a gun left handed) . Anyway , for whatever reasons it happened , I must have 'pulled' my release and the damned arrow nailed him at the base of his antler...and he took off with a new aluminum antenna !!!! Oh man was I upset... but it was a srew up , not planned.... *censored* happens....lol


Emmett D. Wortman Again, I do not believe we are taking about accidents here, we are talking intentional shot placement.


Emmett D. Wortman I am only going to say that a 15 minute or so search of the net reveals that head shots are unethical in what appears to be a VAST majority of ethical hunters.

Emmett D. Wortman From long time outdoor writer Chuck Hawks:


Emmett D. Wortman Do not attempt brain shots (or head shots of any kind). The brain is very small and animals constantly move and turn their heads, even when they are standing still. Do not attempt neck shots. The neck is large, but the spinal cord inside is small and difficult to sever. Both brain and neck shots are deadly if perfectly executed, as they shut down the central nervous system, but if the bullet is off only an inch or two the animal is very likely to escape and be lost, only to die hours or days later.

If this is your indicator of this sort of thing happening "all the time", I think you've got some more reading to do. You might consider reading more before establishing your opinions and/or concerns. 1 post on a Facebook page or a youtube video or 2 shouldn't be enough to establish a basis for techniques used.
It's kinda like you're trying to pit user groups against each other with these posts. I suspect that's not your intent.  I suspect you're a younger guy, and you're learning. If I'm wrong, let me know.
1 last thing....
You also might consider changing your username to something other than longrangehunter... if you're not in fact a long range hunter.

[Mudman]

I can verify its not a lethal shot.  Bad shots happen but a bow would only be lethal with an explosive bullet arrowhead. Blades on broadhead make it almost impossible to penentrate deep. After harvest the deer this was what we found to be true.  A field tip may be better?  Bad decision to intentionally do this.