just lost my bear area

[logger]

Hunt it anyway. f' um. The day they buy Kapowsin is the day I start killing huge bulls in the mashel

  I'm with ya!

     Lottsa guys have said the same thing, being how that kapowsin has been off limits for general elk for years there is some mashers in there! better get one before their all gone!

[cem3434]

What a joke. They already.......
-elk hunt the unit freely while we have to draw a tag
-rifle hunt the unit basically year around counting there ceremonial crap
-do it all out the truck window while we hike in and pack game out
-I wont even go into the slaughter on winter range bs

Now we cant hunt at all? As if they didn't already have enough of a handicap? wtf?

pretty much sums it up, this is the biggest load of crap we have seen in a while.

Sounds like we should be petitioning WDFW to open the rest of the unit back to a general season and forget about keeping it a permit hunt.  The herd is doomed as the Mucks will continue to over hunt the herd and there is nothing we can do about it. Elk in the White River unit will be a thing of the past in 20 years.

[cem3434]

Hunt it anyway. f' um. The day they buy Kapowsin is the day I start killing huge bulls in the mashel

  I'm with ya!

For all intents and purposes you guys are saying if a tribe bus Kapowsin you will admittedly become poachers under the letter of the law?  At the very least you would be charged with  hunting while trespassing (i.e. poaching) and that's just while it's in trust. When it becomes reservation land you will be subject to federal charges.  This, although I see your frustrations,  is probably not the most wise move.

I don't think it's poaching.  The unit is open for elk hunting and the game regs dont state that the Hancock property is closed. Hancock has putt this rule in place, so I think the most they could do is take your permit and charge you with criminal trtrespass, which is a simple misdemeanor. Any lawyers want to chime in?

[Tbar]

Hunt it anyway. f' um. The day they buy Kapowsin is the day I start killing huge bulls in the mashel

  I'm with ya!

For all intents and purposes you guys are saying if a tribe bus Kapowsin you will admittedly become poachers under the letter of the law?  At the very least you would be charged with  hunting while trespassing (i.e. poaching) and that's just while it's in trust. When it becomes reservation land you will be subject to federal charges.  This, although I see your frustrations,  is probably not the most wise move.

I don't think it's poaching.  The unit is open for elk hunting and the game regs dont state that the Hancock property is closed. Hancock has putt this rule in place, so I think the most they could do is take your permit and charge you with criminal trtrespass, which is a simple misdemeanor. Any lawyers want to chime in?

If you go onto the Hancock(Kapowsin/Eatonville) in  land right now during elk season you will be charged (if you killa bull) with a RCW 77 violation.  You will be subject to civil forfeiture and lose your  hunting privileges for 2 years.

[Tbar]

RCW 77.15.435

Unlawful hunting on or retrieving hunted wildlife from the property of another — defense — penalty — forfeiture and disposition of wildlife.
 



(1) A person is guilty of unlawfully hunting on, or retrieving hunted wildlife from, the property of another if the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or on the premises of another for the purpose of hunting for wildlife or retrieving hunted wildlife.

     (2) In any prosecution under this section, it is a defense that:

     (a) The premises were at the time open to members of the public for the purpose of hunting, and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining on the premises;

     (b) The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him or her to enter or remain on the premises for the purpose of hunting or retrieving hunted wildlife;

     (c) The actor reasonably believed that the premises were not privately owned; or

     (d) The actor, after making all reasonable attempts to contact the owner of the premises, retrieved the hunted wildlife for the sole purpose of avoiding a violation of the prohibition on the waste of fish and wildlife as provided in RCW 77.15.170. The defense in this subsection only applies to the retrieval of hunted wildlife and not to the actual act of hunting itself.

     (3) Unlawfully hunting on or retrieving hunted wildlife from the property of another is a misdemeanor.

     (4) If a person unlawfully hunts and kills wildlife, or retrieves hunted wildlife that he or she has killed, on the property of another, then, upon conviction of unlawfully hunting on, or retrieving hunted wildlife from, the property of another, the department shall revoke all hunting licenses and tags and order a suspension of the person's hunting privileges for two years.

     (5) Any wildlife that is unlawfully hunted on or retrieved from the property of another must be seized by fish and wildlife officers. Forfeiture and disposition of the wildlife is pursuant to RCW 77.15.100.

[Tbar]

If you want to kill big bulls in there you will more than likely be subject to civil trophy fees also.
77.15.410  <<  77.15.420 >>   77.15.425

RCW 77.15.420Illegally taken or possessed wildlife — Criminal wildlife penalty assessed.

(1) If a person is convicted of violating RCW 77.15.410and that violation results in the death of wildlife listed in this section, the court shall require payment of the following amounts for each animal taken or possessed. This shall be a criminal wildlife penalty assessment that shall be paid to the clerk of the court and distributed each month to the state treasurer for deposit in the fish and wildlife enforcement reward account created in RCW77.15.425.




(a)Moose, mountain sheep, mountain goat, and all wildlife species classified as endangered by rule of the commission, except for mountain caribou and grizzly bear as listed under (d) of this

     subsection . . . . . . . . . . . .











$4,000(b)Elk, deer, black bear, and cougar . . . . . . . . . . . .$2,000(c)Trophy animal elk and deer . . . . . . . . . . . .$6,000(d)Mountain caribou, grizzly bear, and trophy animal mountain sheep . . . . . . . . . . . .

$12,000


     (2)(a) For the purpose of this section a "trophy animal" is:

     (i) A buck deer with four or more antler points on both sides, not including eyeguards;

     (ii) A bull elk with five or more antler points on both sides, not including eyeguards; or

     (iii) A mountain sheep with a horn curl of three-quarter curl or greater.

     (b) For purposes of this subsection, "eyeguard" means an antler protrusion on the main beam of the antler closest to the eye of the animal.

     (3) If two or more persons are convicted of illegally possessing wildlife in subsection (1) of this section, the criminal wildlife penalty assessment shall be imposed on them jointly and severally.

     (4) The criminal wildlife penalty assessment shall be imposed regardless of and in addition to any sentence, fines, or costs otherwise provided for violating any provision of this title. The criminal wildlife penalty assessment shall be included by the court in any pronouncement of sentence and may not be suspended, waived, modified, or deferred in any respect. This section may not be construed to abridge or alter alternative rights of action or remedies in equity or under common law or statutory law, criminal or civil.

     (5) A defaulted criminal wildlife penalty assessment may be collected by any means authorized by law for the enforcement of orders of the court or collection of a fine or costs, including but not limited to vacation of a deferral of sentencing or vacation of a suspension of sentence.

     (6) A person assessed a criminal wildlife penalty assessment under this section shall have his or her hunting license revoked and all hunting privileges suspended until the penalty assessment is paid through the registry of the court in which the penalty assessment was assessed.

     (7) The criminal wildlife penalty assessments provided in subsection (1) of this section shall be doubled in the following instances:

     (a) When a person is convicted of spotlighting big game under RCW 77.15.450;

     (b) When a person commits a violation that requires payment of a wildlife penalty assessment within five years of a prior gross misdemeanor or felony conviction under this title;

     (c) When the trier of fact determines that the person took or possessed the animal in question with the intent of bartering, selling, or otherwise deriving economic profit from the animal or the animal's parts; or

     (d) When the trier of fact determines that the person took the animal under the supervision of a licensed guide.

[logger]

It's worth the risk.

[trophyhunt]

What a joke. They already.......
-elk hunt the unit freely while we have to draw a tag
-rifle hunt the unit basically year around counting there ceremonial crap
-do it all out the truck window while we hike in and pack game out
-I wont even go into the slaughter on winter range bs

Now we cant hunt at all? As if they didn't already have enough of a handicap? wtf?

pretty much sums it up, this is the biggest load of crap we have seen in a while.

Sounds like we should be petitioning WDFW to open the rest of the unit back to a general season and forget about keeping it a permit hunt.  The herd is doomed as the Mucks will continue to over hunt the herd and there is nothing we can do about it. Elk in the White River unit will be a thing of the past in 20 years.

Open it up! That would piss them off in my opinon so it would never happen.  Can't believe they have shut us out of land I've hunted for most my life, and no more antler hunting in Their area?  F that!

[trophyhunt]

It's worth the risk.

[liljozie495]

I know it's been stated but thank god it's not all of white river permit area. But it is *censored*ty all the area is white folks cannot hunt up there no more is the areas most of us had to work out asses off scouting and hiking behind those no key entry gates to scout and find quality animals... F the mucks they can blow a fat D... They will not be receiving my money for a pass this year apparently Hancock is still running the show for them which I find funny a tribe that wants to have so much damn power cannot manage there land they just spent millions on... Either way the property is basically accessible from my back yard I'll have no problems walking in they can bite me!

[Tbar]

It's worth the risk.

I don't know if the last guy, who got away with it for years,  would agree.  Lawyers tend to get fairly expensive, but to each their  own. 

[Tbar]

I know it's been stated but thank god it's not all of white river permit area. But it is *censored*ty all the area is white folks cannot hunt up there no more is the areas most of us had to work out asses off scouting and hiking behind those no key entry gates to scout and find quality animals... F the mucks they can blow a fat D... They will not be receiving my money for a pass this year apparently Hancock is still running the show for them which I find funny a tribe that wants to have so much damn power cannot manage there land they just spent millions on... Either way the property is basically accessible from my back yard I'll have no problems walking in they can bite me!

Very classy post liljozie. I hope this post enriches the "family friendliness" of this site.

[Coastal_native]

...Because it would make perfect sense for the Mucks to continue to allow people to hunt their property when those same people have been bad mouthing them and cursing them for years.

[BOWHUNTER45]

The bad thing about this is that the Yuppies out number us by a trillion and they will keep supporting the tribes so we are screwed no matter how we look at it  It is getting so bad that my blood pressure is boiling and I may die of a heart attack over it all some day  Seriously 

[lewy]

...Because it would make perfect sense for the Mucks to continue to allow people to hunt their property when those same people have been bad mouthing them and cursing them for years.

The mucks have come by any badmouthing that goes on honestly.