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[ribka]

I know Idaho has already reduced number of cow elk tags issued in the panhandle due to wolves. Is that a bogus claim?

Compare Washington's population vs the population of Idaho and Montana and it is easy to see that Washington will eventually go to a draw system for most units for hunting. Look at the diminishing quotas for fishing over the past two decades.  The intro of wolves will speed this process.

Take a page out the current transparent administration's propaganda handbook and use it against wolves

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Have a buddy who went through the state of Idaho trapping class to get a permit. He said  the instructor was from Alaska and during one of the breaks they sort of went off topic and Washington came up. He said that by the time Washington makes the management goals. Most of the state will be on a permit draw and you will call your friends asking if they want to go because one of you had drawn a permit.

Bogus claim. Montana and Idaho have met their goals and are harvesting wolves and they haven't gone to permit draws yet. If Washington does, it ill only be because the State sees draw hunts as a cash cow, it wont be from wolves.

[JimmyHoffa]

I agree with Ribka.  Washington is tightly regulated for harvest already.  How much buffer can they give to wolves?  The state's elk population is around 60,000; of which harvest is around 7,300 a year.  Even with only 150 wolves (15 packs, 10 wolves/pack, 20 elk per wolf per year) that is 3,000 elk/year--probably going to be more wolves than that though.  I'd be surprised if it didn't go draw only---if they kept it OTC, I would guess that seasons would be cut way back.

[idahohuntr]

I agree with Ribka.  Washington is tightly regulated for harvest already.  How much buffer can they give to wolves?  The state's elk population is around 60,000; of which harvest is around 7,300 a year.  Even with only 150 wolves (15 packs, 10 wolves/pack, 20 elk per wolf per year) that is 3,000 elk/year--probably going to be more wolves than that though.  I'd be surprised if it didn't go draw only---if they kept it OTC, I would guess that seasons would be cut way back.

Wolves will not be much of a factor in whether WA ever adopts a permit only system.  Wolves can impact elk herds; most hunters over estimate or exaggerate the impact/potential impact.

[Ridgeratt]

Wolves will not be much of a factor in whether WA ever adopts a permit only system.  Wolves can impact elk herds; most hunters over estimate or exaggerate the impact/potential impact.

I could perhaps give you a few cattle ranchers names in Stevens county you could have this debate with on their losses.

If I run out of ideas KFHunter could help as well.

[KFhunter]

Wolves will not be much of a factor in whether WA ever adopts a permit only system.  Wolves can impact elk herds; most hunters over estimate or exaggerate the impact/potential impact.

I could perhaps give you a few cattle ranchers names in Stevens county you could have this debate with on their losses.

If I run out of ideas KFHunter could help as well.

If Elk go to a permit system Ridgeratt it's due to poor habitat, nothing to do with wolves move along nothing to look at here. 

[Ridgeratt]

If Elk go to a permit system Ridgeratt it's due to poor habitat, nothing to do with wolves move along nothing to look at here.

 "KF" you were able to respond with a straight face.  I am impressed. Looks like you have been converted by the liberals.

[KFhunter]

If Elk go to a permit system Ridgeratt it's due to poor habitat, nothing to do with wolves move along nothing to look at here.

 "KF" you were able to respond with a straight face.  I am impressed. Looks like you have been converted by the liberals.

I been at this a while.

[bearpaw]

Have a buddy who went through the state of Idaho trapping class to get a permit. He said  the instructor was from Alaska and during one of the breaks they sort of went off topic and Washington came up. He said that by the time Washington makes the management goals. Most of the state will be on a permit draw and you will call your friends asking if they want to go because one of you had drawn a permit.

Bogus claim. Montana and Idaho have met their goals and are harvesting wolves and they haven't gone to permit draws yet. If Washington does, it ill only be because the State sees draw hunts as a cash cow, it wont be from wolves.

Truth: Idaho has eliminated or reduced many elk hunts and Montana's late Yellowstone hunts were eliminated. 

[idahohuntr]

What hunts has idaho eliminated because of wolves?

[idahohuntr]

Wolves will not be much of a factor in whether WA ever adopts a permit only system.  Wolves can impact elk herds; most hunters over estimate or exaggerate the impact/potential impact.

I could perhaps give you a few cattle ranchers names in Stevens county you could have this debate with on their losses.

If I run out of ideas KFHunter could help as well.

By all means, could you please send me the names of the cattle ranchers in Stevens County who have experienced high losses of ELK.  I am very intrigued by these cattle operations that are losing elk!!!!!! That is amazing!!!!

[idahohuntr]

Wolves will not be much of a factor in whether WA ever adopts a permit only system.  Wolves can impact elk herds; most hunters over estimate or exaggerate the impact/potential impact.

I could perhaps give you a few cattle ranchers names in Stevens county you could have this debate with on their losses.

If I run out of ideas KFHunter could help as well.

If Elk go to a permit system Ridgeratt it's due to poor habitat, nothing to do with wolves move along nothing to look at here.

I agree.  We all know habitat is irrelevant.   I was hunting over in a subduvision/shopping mall yesterday...I did not see one trophy class bull.  The wolves must have got him. 

[bearpaw]

What hunts has idaho eliminated because of wolves?

Well that's real easy! 

All general season cow hunts, even archery cow hunts have been completely eliminated in all nine of the panhandle's management units. Do I need to cite more eliminated hunts because there are many more units which have had seasons eliminated?

How about (all cow hunts) that have been eliminated in the Lolo Zone, Middle Fork Zone, and Selway Zone? I think that's a total of 18 game management units that Idaho has said are impacted by wolves and the general cow elk seasons have been completely eliminated and most of these units with the exception of 2 or 3 units do not have any controlled hunt tags for cows either!

[idahohuntr]

What hunts has idaho eliminated because of wolves?

Well that's real easy! 

All general season cow hunts, even archery cow hunts have been completely eliminated in all nine of the panhandle's management units. Do I need to cite more eliminated hunts because there are many more units which have had seasons eliminated?

How about (all cow hunts) that have been eliminated in the Lolo Zone, Middle Fork Zone, and Selway Zone? I think that's a total of 18 game management units that Idaho has said are impacted by wolves and the general cow elk seasons have been completely eliminated and most of these units with the exception of 2 or 3 units do not have any controlled hunt tags for cows either!

Any bull hunts?

[mountainman]

What hunts has idaho eliminated because of wolves?

Well that's real easy! 

All general season cow hunts, even archery cow hunts have been completely eliminated in all nine of the panhandle's management units. Do I need to cite more eliminated hunts because there are many more units which have had seasons eliminated?

How about (all cow hunts) that have been eliminated in the Lolo Zone, Middle Fork Zone, and Selway Zone? I think that's a total of 18 game management units that Idaho has said are impacted by wolves and the general cow elk seasons have been completely eliminated and most of these units with the exception of 2 or 3 units do not have any controlled hunt tags for cows either!

Wolves will not be much of a factor in whether WA ever adopts a permit only system.  Wolves can impact elk herds; most hunters over estimate or exaggerate the impact/potential impact.

I could perhaps give you a few cattle ranchers names in Stevens county you could have this debate with on their losses.

If I run out of ideas KFHunter could help as well.

If Elk go to a permit system Ridgeratt it's due to poor habitat, nothing to do with wolves move along nothing to look at here.

I agree.  We all know habitat is irrelevant.   I was hunting over in a subduvision/shopping mall yesterday...I did not see one trophy class bull.  The wolves must have got him. 

nice edit!