Washington lawmaker proposes moving wolves

[idahohuntr]

What will be the result of delisting in this state?

A voter initiative to protect wolves forever.

Have no fear, this bill isn't going anywhere but it is far more likely to happen than your over the top threat - which isn't going to shut this topic down lest the voters get any ideas 

I don't have a clue what you are even trying to suggest with your post.  I will repeat again in case I was unclear: Wolf Management in Washington State will be ultimately decided by voter initiative.

Possibly for a short time, until the other animals collapse.  Even a voter initiative can't protect one animal at the severe detriment of another, your dream of wolves protected forever would be struck down in court faster than I-594. 

I almost hope this chain of events come to pass.  I think it would be very comparable to I-594.

I'm explaining what is going to happen, I've never endorsed ballot box wildlife management and never will.  Your personal attacks continue to bore me. 

[jasnt]

Foot holds are not allowed either, nor will they ever be again

correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the nuisense wildlife permit allow the use of body gripping traps. I know snares are a no but I thought foot holds are ok with the permit?

Even right now WDFW is trying to clamp down on issuing those permits and we are not even talking about wolves.
But yea you could get a permit to trap wolves,
If the State delists them,
If the Feds delist them,
If it is on Private Land,
If you have a demonstrable problem that cannot be handled by other means,
If there are no lawsuits to stop management,
If WDFW allows the permits to be issued (they won't issue them for bears or cougars to most trappers, They have said they would have a training program that would make this possible but has never happened)
If,
If,
If

so what are supposed to do just accept it? Leave our home state? I'm not ready to give in! We have to fight back.  We have to stand up for each other and our way of life or before we know it......

[JimmyHoffa]

Wolves arnt deer most people wont spend a bunch of money to hunt wolves

  and won't spend money when the deer and elk are gone, they'll go to a place with enough deer and elk.

not everyone can afford to hunt out of state. Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others will not. There are plenty of wolf hunters in this state willing to spend $ hunting wolves and plenty of predator hunters hoping and praying just like me.  If there is ever so few deer and elk that we can't hunt them hunters will be turning to what is available to hunt

Oh, I would.  I live in a part of the state that makes it that much harder to go out of state.  I'm talking about the people that have to drive a few hours to go hunting anyways.  I just don't see the loss in money from fewer deer/elk hunters being made up for by wolf hunters.  Pretty sure Idaho and Montana didn't either.

[KFhunter]

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/ak-initiatives-ballot-measure-1-voter-wildlife-initatives
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/az-initiatives-proposition-102-voter-wildlife-initatives

Plenty of precedence prohibiting ballot box animal management.  If what you predict came to pass I think we'd see this on our ballets...just like I-591 which rode against I-594


(ya ya I know 594 passed and 591 didn't)  I just think that's how it'd play out.

[Humptulips]

Foot holds are not allowed either, nor will they ever be again

correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the nuisense wildlife permit allow the use of body gripping traps. I know snares are a no but I thought foot holds are ok with the permit?

Even right now WDFW is trying to clamp down on issuing those permits and we are not even talking about wolves.
But yea you could get a permit to trap wolves,
If the State delists them,
If the Feds delist them,
If it is on Private Land,
If you have a demonstrable problem that cannot be handled by other means,
If there are no lawsuits to stop management,
If WDFW allows the permits to be issued (they won't issue them for bears or cougars to most trappers, They have said they would have a training program that would make this possible but has never happened)
If,
If,
If

so what are supposed to do just accept it? Leave our home state? I'm not ready to give in! We have to fight back.  We have to stand up for each other and our way of life or before we know it......

Hey I'm with you. I've just been beat down I guess. Spent a lot of time and money trying to do something about I-713 (trap Ban) to no avail.

[mkcj]

Until wolves are in King county eating peoples pets and livestock nothing will be done. Question is, at that point what do the big game herds of the eastern part of the state look like? because unless they also are in need of being put on the threatened list nothing will be done to help them.

[jasnt]

This is why I'm all for this bill of course it will be denied and have to be re written and submitted but at least it's a push in the right direction.

Ps
 We need to make hunting and fishing and trapping our right. Not a privilege slowly taken away

[AspenBud]

On the other hand it could backfire, they could be relocated, nothing could change, and then the argument of "easy for people without skin in the game" argument dies.

Careful what you wish for.

[ipkus]

On the other hand it could backfire, they could be relocated, nothing could change, and then the argument of "easy for people without skin in the game" argument dies.

Careful what you wish for.

There's almost 20 years of evidence from Mont/Id/Wyo that says I'm willing to take the chance.  It's not really a gamble.

[bearpaw]

On the other hand it could backfire, they could be relocated, nothing could change, and then the argument of "easy for people without skin in the game" argument dies.

Careful what you wish for.

   Where do some of these guys get their logic, what gamble? When wolves move in livestock/pets get eaten!

[ipkus]

There's an old saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

I'm shocked at some of the guys on here making some of the arguments they do.  Baffling.

[jasnt]

Wolves are going to cover the whole state eventually. We are already seeing wolves where we thought there was no wolf habitat. They will be everywhere, it's only a matter of time.  Just like coyote there is no place in the US that wolves can't live.  " carful what you wish for". That line should have been brought up in 1995

[pianoman9701]

This is why I'm all for this bill of course it will be denied and have to be re written and submitted but at least it's a push in the right direction. We need to make hunting and fishing and trapping our right. Not a privilege slowly taken away

The representative's proposal is based on earlier declassification of wolves. That's the whole point of it. I'm sure it would be spelled out in the legislation.

[AspenBud]

On the other hand it could backfire, they could be relocated, nothing could change, and then the argument of "easy for people without skin in the game" argument dies.

Careful what you wish for.

   Where do some of these guys get their logic, what gamble? When wolves move in livestock/pets get eaten!

You're betting that people will run to the hills demanding an all out season over night once some wolves get relocated. Good luck with that.

Northeast Washington has howled about cougars since the hound ban and to date this state has not voted to lift it...and cougars are on boths sides of the mountains so the "skin in the game" argument holds little weight with people.

I just think you guys underestimate peoples' tolerance for predators this side of the mountains.

[CAMPMEAT]

What happened to the Profanity Pack ? WDFW took them and transplanted them someplace illegally I bet. We have not heard one word about that pack since they were confirmed, nothing, nada, zip, zilch.....