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But where do you draw the line at keeping politics out? Commission members appointed by the governor seems political. Having Conservation NW on the commission seems political. The baiting proposals being explored because it is a 'social perception' not a scientific one. Letting the chemical corporations influence research....
sadly, wolves might still be listed if it weren't for politicians forcing their hand. We would be better if everyone would leave emotions out of wildlife management
Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on March 11, 2015, 02:16:33 PM sadly, wolves might still be listed if it weren't for politicians forcing their hand. We would be better if everyone would leave emotions out of wildlife managementI agree for ID/MT/WY, but in WA I think the legislators are likely to keep them listed longer. I recall Kevin Ranker going bonkers when the WDFW went after the Wedge pack.
Quote from: JimmyHoffa on March 11, 2015, 02:28:34 PMQuote from: WAcoyotehunter on March 11, 2015, 02:16:33 PM sadly, wolves might still be listed if it weren't for politicians forcing their hand. We would be better if everyone would leave emotions out of wildlife managementI agree for ID/MT/WY, but in WA I think the legislators are likely to keep them listed longer. I recall Kevin Ranker going bonkers when the WDFW went after the Wedge pack.Ranker did go bonkers.
Most on here were happy to see that politicians just voted to get involved with the WDFW created wolf management plan.So do you just not want politics/politicians involved with fish and wildlife management when it's not in your view?
If you think politicians didn't have a finger in the wolf plan you are horribly mistaken.Just think of what we have lost because of politics!BaitingHoundsGun rightsother?Don't kid yourself the politicians are right there during the initiative process. Biology not politics! Unless it is to vote someone who does not support hunting out Most don't understand the science. Those of us hunters that do continually support it even when you are insulting and bashing us. Ever wonder why? Give some thought to it!We take our hunting and environment seriously!
Quote from: bigtex on March 11, 2015, 04:50:08 PMMost on here were happy to see that politicians just voted to get involved with the WDFW created wolf management plan.So do you just not want politics/politicians involved with fish and wildlife management when it's not in your view?No. I oppose political interference at such a detailed level even if it supports/favors actions that lead to outcomes I support on the principle that legislators should not direct in such a detailed way fish and wildlife management. I concur with the IDFG commission statement on this issue. Politicians set broad policy, commissioners entrusted with managing the public's fish and wildlife will handle the details...that is the model I support...realizing of course there will always be backroom deals by sleazy politicians.
Quote from: JimmyHoffa on March 11, 2015, 01:40:19 PMBut where do you draw the line at keeping politics out? Commission members appointed by the governor seems political. Having Conservation NW on the commission seems political. The baiting proposals being explored because it is a 'social perception' not a scientific one. Letting the chemical corporations influence research....You draw the line at broad policy direction. Legislators should not be circumventing sportsmen public involvement process because they provide a different answer than what a powerful few want. Nor should legislators direct specific research methods and meddle with normal scientific process. There will always be politics, but in this case the IDFG commission is doing exactly what sportsmen should expect of their commission and hitting back when legislators get out of their lane...could their be consequences to those folks and might it play into future appointments and vetting? You bet. In the wolf de-listing example, legislators got involved only when a fringe group kept de-railing what was common sense...wolves were not in need of ESA protection.
Perhaps you two could go start your tinfoil hat thread elsewhere. This one involves a state commission sticking up for average sportsmen. Thanks.