Baiting: A possible solution?

[steeleywhopper]

Well I noticed hunters in this thread wanting to ban it and I spoke my opinion. Disregard if it's out of topic.

[bearpaw]

Well I noticed hunters in this thread wanting to ban it and I spoke my opinion. Disregard if it's out of topic.

I know it's frustrating, that's why I am trying to find a solution we can offer that everyone can live with! 

[KFhunter]

I don't have a problem with keeping baiting hidden away from public view and keeping it out of the water.

I also don't have a problem with keeping the bait piles reasonable in size while on public ground.   

Don't regulate baiting on private ground or folks would get in trouble for shooting a deer eating off a round bale left out in the hay field.

[jrebel]

Same could be said for people shooting deer off an agricultural field that is leased public land.  There should be wording the excludes agricultural lands...both private and public.   

[KFhunter]

Same could be said for people shooting deer off an agricultural field that is leased public land.  There should be wording the excludes agricultural lands...both private and public.   

good point

[idahohuntr]

Perhaps make the distance rule (400 yards if visible from a road) only applicable to public land?  That way even the smallest 3 or 4 acre guy doesn't have to worry if someone can peer through the trees and see his bait?

For the quantity and timing...I say you just set a maximum quantity and not do anything with time restrictions.  You can have 8 cu ft. of bait at a site at any one time...bait as frequently as you want...just don't exceed 8 cu feet. 

The other issue that needs addressed is what constitutes a bait site?  We need to think in terms of what prevents the semi-truck of apples guy from doing his thing?  Because you could (with a little work) put 8 cu ft of apples every 10 feet and still have a huge quantity of bait in a small area but "technically" be legal.  This is where I was leaning towards the Idaho bait tag model where a uniquely coded tag (zip tie) is attached near the bait and each hunter gets a max of x bait tags or something which are unique to each hunter.  Or maybe just say you get 8 cu ft of bait, and only 1 bait per xxxx yards radius?

I applaud bearpaw for seeing the value in being proactive and participating in the rule making...hopefully we get some very straightforward and reasonable restrictions that make most hunters happy.  The anti-baiters and the semi-truck of apples guys can cancel each other out     

[LeviD1]

If you needed bait tags then on top of over priced tags in wa for season they give in my opinion that is then they would sell bait tags for probably like $15 a piece or some crap. WA tries to charge for everything that's what makes me mad.

[BULLBLASTER]

If you needed bait tags then on top of over priced tags in wa for season they give in my opinion that is then they would sell bait tags for probably like $15 a piece or some crap. WA tries to charge for everything that's what makes me mad.

idaho charges for bait permits for bear. They also charge for archery permit to hunt archery season as well as a muzzle loader permit to hunt muzzle loader season.

[lokidog]

BearPaw.  Let's slow down here.  It's not where you what, it's what you bait with that's the issue.  Apples are bad.  Scientifically speaking, the deer don't need more protien in the winter fall, and apples don't provide that.  If guys want to bait, let them, but require them to bait with quality nutritional foods.  If they use salt they should be required to use mineral blocks that contain selenium, which is necessary for does to carry full term. 
It'd be easier to enforce, apples dump = ticket.  Simple.

This is BS, alfalfa at certain times of year can be a lot worse for deer than apples.  They can digest sugars for energy use anytime but may not have the proper bacterial mix to digest alfalfa when it is given in the middle of the winter thus filling their bellies with no useable food.

So Bearpaw, you think it is OK to limit bait volume to 8 cubic feet but think saying two five gallon buckets is too hard to figure out?  How the He... are they supposed to measure 8 cubic feet?  It seems to me that two five gallon buckets would be a lot easier to estimate if not actually "raking it up".     It seems that you are just set on getting "your way" and not really taking other people's opinions into consideration.....

As far as private land goes, if I want to dump a pile of apples on the end of my friggin' driveway, there is noone in this country that has a right to tell me I can't do so!!!  Now, if there is a bait quantity limit, then fine limit my pile to two buckets or some nebulous 8 cubic feet, but noone can tell me where I can or can't put it on my property.

If you needed bait tags then on top of over priced tags in wa for season they give in my opinion that is then they would sell bait tags for probably like $15 a piece or some crap. WA tries to charge for everything that's what makes me mad.

I don't think they should be able to charge for the "tags" but I have no problem with requiring some form of accountability for baits on public land.

[idahohuntr]

BearPaw.  Let's slow down here.  It's not where you what, it's what you bait with that's the issue.  Apples are bad.  Scientifically speaking, the deer don't need more protien in the winter fall, and apples don't provide that.  If guys want to bait, let them, but require them to bait with quality nutritional foods.  If they use salt they should be required to use mineral blocks that contain selenium, which is necessary for does to carry full term. 
It'd be easier to enforce, apples dump = ticket.  Simple.

This is BS, alfalfa at certain times of year can be a lot worse for deer than apples.  They can digest sugars for energy use anytime but may not have the proper bacterial mix to digest alfalfa when it is given in the middle of the winter thus filling their bellies with no useable food.

So Bearpaw, you think it is OK to limit bait volume to 8 cubic feet but think saying two five gallon buckets is too hard to figure out?  How the He... are they supposed to measure 8 cubic feet?  It seems to me that two five gallon buckets would be a lot easier to estimate if not actually "raking it up".     It seems that you are just set on getting "your way" and not really taking other people's opinions into consideration.....

As far as private land goes, if I want to dump a pile of apples on the end of my friggin' driveway, there is noone in this country that has a right to tell me I can't do so!!!  Now, if there is a bait quantity limit, then fine limit my pile to two buckets or some nebulous 8 cubic feet, but noone can tell me where I can or can't put it on my property.

Thats not what I have observed...he has taken a lot of input and is trying to find a solution to provide the commission that will protect people who bait while addressing the most egregious practices which have created this uproar.

As far as no one telling you where you can put bait...I suppose thats true...but if you want to hunt over that bait then you will have to comply with whatever rules are passed by the commission or legislature.

[huntnnw]

apples are bad  yet they continue to raid trees all day long year after year for centuries

[huntnnw]

I dont support any placement issues when we are talking private land and around water on public land? when you got range cattle tearing up creeks crapping and wallowing in them 

[lokidog]

My point is, is it seems that QUANTITY of bait is the issue, not location.  By saying you can't have visible bait ANYWHERE within 1/4 mile, or even 400 yards of a public road, you are pretty much eliminating anyone with private property less than ten acres in size from baiting unless they dig a hole or build a wall to place the bait behind.

[JimmyHoffa]

I don't think apples are bad.  They know to go eat other foods too.  The deer will get their fill and if had enough, will wander off to go eat other foods.  I don't see them in the apple trees all day, but part of their route.  If the winter is so bad that they can't get other food, then apples aren't really going to be an issue anyways. 

[huntnnw]

this whole issue is about baiting mule deer