Snoqualmie Ranger District may close recreational shooting? Action Required!

[logger]

I agree with tex on the funding issue,HOWEVER the forest service is sitting on acres and acres of funding! They seem to have a endless supply when it comes to road decommissioning as I do tons of it for them and see where a ton of money goes down the drain.

[Dave Workman]

It’s not just weather that could burn recreational shooters
 
While the Seattle Times is talking about the continuing heat wave this weekend, there’s a storm brewing on the horizon for recreational shooters at a popular southeast King County shooting spot, and slobs with guns are a big part of the problem.

http://www.examiner.com/article/exclusive-it-s-not-just-weather-that-could-burn-recreational-shooters

[bigtex]

It’s not just weather that could burn recreational shooters
 
While the Seattle Times is talking about the continuing heat wave this weekend, there’s a storm brewing on the horizon for recreational shooters at a popular southeast King County shooting spot, and slobs with guns are a big part of the problem.

http://www.examiner.com/article/exclusive-it-s-not-just-weather-that-could-burn-recreational-shooters

The large majority (almost all) of the area is actually in Pierce County...

[trophyhunt]

Bigtex, I hope you know I support Leo 99% of the time, BUT, good riddance to that POS sheriff that used to patrol in green water area!  He was a complete azz, I have 2 stories of that jerk messing with me and my family camping at buck creek.  I hope he's flipping burgers somewhere, I'm sure he patrols else where. 

[bigtex]

Bigtex, I hope you know I support Leo 99% of the time, BUT, good riddance to that POS sheriff that used to patrol in green water area!  He was a complete azz, I have 2 stories of that jerk messing with me and my family camping at buck creek.  I hope he's flipping burgers somewhere, I'm sure he patrols else where.

He has since retired. However, they never have brought back the resident deputy position in the Greenwater area.

[trophyhunt]

Glad to hear he's done harassing people up there!  👍🏻


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[Dave Workman]

Bigtex, I hope you know I support Leo 99% of the time, BUT, good riddance to that POS sheriff that used to patrol in green water area!  He was a complete azz, I have 2 stories of that jerk messing with me and my family camping at buck creek.  I hope he's flipping burgers somewhere, I'm sure he patrols else where.

Let's stick to the subject at hand, shall we?
Your problem with a local deputy should have nothing to do with what the slobs are up to. THEY'RE the problem.

[trophyhunt]

C'mon Dave, have you read my previous post? I'm well aware of the problem up there, I get it. 


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[Little Dave]

If disposal cost is incorporated as an excise tax on the cost of goods and disposal service becomes free statewide, trash in the woods should be less common. 

Forest agents should close that area to shooting until the stuff is picked up.  Open it when the stuff isn't there anymore.

[bearpaw]

If disposal cost is incorporated as an excise tax on the cost of goods and disposal service becomes free statewide, trash in the woods should be less common. 

Forest agents should close that area to shooting until the stuff is picked up.  Open it when the stuff isn't there anymore.

That is as fair and reasonable proposal that I have heard and would be a good approach to many areas with shooting trash problems. 

[trophyhunt]

If disposal cost is incorporated as an excise tax on the cost of goods and disposal service becomes free statewide, trash in the woods should be less common. 

Forest agents should close that area to shooting until the stuff is picked up.  Open it when the stuff isn't there anymore.

That is as fair and reasonable proposal that I have heard and would be a good approach to many areas with shooting trash problems. 

brilliant idea for real!!! That makes total sense, Talk about putting the responsibility directly into the users hands.  If you could pass that idea on to the right people I wonder if they would consider it?? 

[Little Dave]

I'll talk to Sonny about it tomorrow.

[Jonnyjammer]

there are already laws that pertain to the shooting of these aerosol cans and propane tanks.Its federal and its right on the side of the product.Not to be used for anything other than what it was intended for. 
I think that excise tax on all products to pay for disposal is the best Idea i have ever heard.Charge by the product IE   recyclables less than non,more for products that take longer to degrade or are stronger pollutants.I think they add a charge to tires now when you buy and when you dump.

[netcoyote]

If disposal cost is incorporated as an excise tax on the cost of goods and disposal service becomes free statewide, trash in the woods should be less common. 

Forest agents should close that area to shooting until the stuff is picked up.  Open it when the stuff isn't there anymore.

That is as fair and reasonable proposal that I have heard and would be a good approach to many areas with shooting trash problems. 

brilliant idea for real!!! That makes total sense, Talk about putting the responsibility directly into the users hands.  If you could pass that idea on to the right people I wonder if they would consider it??

One small problem....How are the areas going to get cleaned up if access is denied? Sounds like a Catch-22.
Nobody is going to walk miles up a gated road to a trash site, spend hours picking up trash and then carry bags for miles going out. If the proposal is to only clase a small shooting area...how would that work? People would just walk around a barricade.
The only workable plan might be to request specific "cleanup access" which would require FS staff participation and monitoring for opening and closing gates. Since they are already limited in their staffing, I just can't see that happening.

On the surface, this seems like a good idea, but it needs more thought.

[trophyhunt]

This peticular area is right off the main rd, barricades are placed so you can't drive into the shooting area.  They would have to put up a sign saying if it's open or closed due to litter, then they'd have to patrol it and give tickets if people shoot when it's closed.  I would make the fine stiff, you would think people would start policing themselves to keep it open?  It's worth a try.