Are they good for elk? Yes but it takes work and patience. Having a lease would substantially reduce the amount of pressure (lot of guys hunt out there), but probably not so much if it's just a permit. Also, you need to take into account the fact that there's a lot of hunting pressure from the various local tribes in all 3 of these units. The Clearwater has some great country, but it can be steep, rugged, and for a lack of better words, overgrown. I've seen some dandy pics of some bulls coming out of there though. A buddy of mine works out at the correctional facility and sees animals all the time. I'd probably be out there under the new blackpowder regs if I could. Be aware that some people might not take the leases and permits too seriously and will continue to hunt on the lands they've been hunting for years. Love the West End, but it can be a wild place (maybe that's why I like it). Just have to respect the area, the conditions, and the people. Good luck to you.