I'm frustrated.....any advice?

[Hoythunter]

I know this topic has been covered a bazillion and half times but I'm about ready to put a "for free" sign on my Remington 700 ML....

Been to the range 3 weeks in a row and have now shot Hornady 300g, Shocker 250 gr, and Rem Accutip.  My 100 yard groups are ugly, I'm talking everywhere.  I run patches after every single shot and am shooting off a bench.  I'm shooting trip 7, have now tried 80, 90 & 100 grains.  Rem #11 caps.  I'm spraying bullets everywhere!!  Changed sights even (rear peep).  The guy at the range that's been helping me is even shrugging his shoulders; he knows his way around these in-lines and is scratching his head.

I'm going to give Barnes 290 a go and if that doesn't work out?  I'm new at this MZ thing so I'm not above advice or other thoughts.  I've been shooting guns my entire life and a half decent shot with open sights but my lord, this is getting crazy.   

[HUNTNORTHWEST]

Sounds like to me you have some sort of fowling going on down the barrel. Copper fowling can cause bullets to spray all over the place. You need to clean the crud out of muzzleloaders.

[SemperFidelis97]

I agree with Northwestwenz get some nitro bore, or another chemical to break down that copper fowling.  I have to do it every couple years in my hunting rifles as well, I am meticulous about cleaning them, but it still builds up in the rifling.

[jrebel]

Where do you live and shoot.  Maybe another muzzy hunter can meet you and help you out.   Could be many factors involved......

[Bill W]

If you are able to push a wad of brass thru the barrel from one end to the other that might get some of the fouling out.

[Hoythunter]

I got some new clearer at Sportsmans in my way home; I spent a couple hours cleaning the heck out of it last weekend and am going to do it again after shooting another 1.5 boxes today...  Thanks, keep the suggestions coming!

[hollymaster]

And get rid of the Remington #11's. Bottom of the percussion caps, lowest "heat". 

[PyroBlack]

I got some new clearer at Sportsmans in my way home; I spent a couple hours cleaning the heck out of it last weekend and am going to do it again after shooting another 1.5 boxes today...  Thanks, keep the suggestions coming!

You can spend 10 hours cleaning and not do much good, if you are using the wrong cleaner(s). Make sure those patches wear a bore brush too, not a jag.

Also, your 777 powder may be contaminated and/or old. That will make 100 yard groups go haywire too.

[Hoythunter]

And get rid of the Remington #11's. Bottom of the percussion caps, lowest "heat". 

Is this why I'm finding a lot of powder residue after each shot?  Which caps would you recommend?  Thanks

[Sabotloader]

And get rid of the Remington #11's. Bottom of the percussion caps, lowest "heat". 

Is this why I'm finding a lot of powder residue after each shot?  Which caps would you recommend?  Thanks

Rem 700's are normally very accurate rifles.  I had 3 of them and the most common thing i have found with them is the how the barrel fits in the stock.  The older Rems were fully bedded in the barrel channel and were really never a problem the new longer barreld Rems were suppose to be free floating but ofthe the barrel would touch the stock along the run in different places creating different pressures on the barrel as the barrel heated. If you have one of the newer ones with the 26" barrel see if you can run a dollor bill beteen the barrel and the stock all the way down to very close to the reciever.

CCI #11 Magnum caps a very reliable - but very difficult to find right now.  The best cap I have found is the RWS Dynamit Noble 1075+.  Sportsman's usually has them and they can be found in many other places.

[shorthair15]

get some rws number 11 caps. try sportsman warehouse if in a pinch get the cci magnum's. i only use the rws caps.

[Utah]

 I could barley hit a pie plate at 100yds . Then I got a peep site.  3"inch groups or less is the norm now. usually 2"groups at 100. Never seen a Power belt not shoot.  295's and 777

[Hoythunter]

I could barley hit a pie plate at 100yds . Then I got a peep site.  3"inch groups or less is the norm now. usually 2"groups at 100. Never seen a Power belt not shoot.  295's and 777

Just took my peep off and tried a tru glow back sight; same net result.  I suppose something I could've overlooked were caps; do different #11's make that big of a difference?  I'm going to order new caps and give one more bullet a try, after that..??  Crazy, never would've that I could group 6 arrows at 100 yds 3x better than this muzzy. 

[usmc74]

Is the hammer inside the bolt hanging up?  I had to dis-assemble mine and clean the guts and lube it pretty often.

Mine last year was shooting great with 300gr SST, and 100gr powder.

You anywhere near North Bend?

[huntnphool]

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