Elk shot on Conboy refuge

[Curly]

I just want to hear more details. That's pretty cool that a 72 year old shot a bull at 20 yards with a pistol. Too bad the elk didn't get recovered though. I hope FordTough hadn't been scared off.

[Dan-o]

Derogatory abrasive and insulting responses, even if 100% accurate, rarely accomplish lending clarity to a social media topic.  A clear concise and respectable complete fabrication is usually more easily believed on public forums.  So while I appreciate someone trying to set things straight and add some sort of absolute to a topic with little available details, I might suggest starting that post with something other than an insult to all participants of the thread.  Character and integrity are much more believable when posting with level heads and disciplined verbiage.

Spoken like a man who bought a mischambered rifle......     

Cheers!

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

The guide is a master hunter, the outfitter was playing by the books. Anyone got more questions?

All I know, is I was waiting to hear the true story from the authorities, or someone with credibility.
 "Master Hunter" ?
If it is the outfitter I suspect, I know he was not "playing by the books" a couple years ago, that is why I suspect him.
He also has a definite lack of knowledge about game animals in contrast to his claims.
  Yet I still have not used any names, or made any statements connecting any outfitter to this occurrence.
 
If it is someone else.. I still want to hear the enforcement officers account of what happened.
No doubt it will show up on https://www.facebook.com/WDFWPolice
I said nothing directly insulting, or derogatory about anybody that I cannot substantiate with facts.
It seems most members that posted in this thread also just tagged in to hear a story...

[Idighuntin]

 

This may get me kicked out of the Christmas gift exchange, but I'm going to say it anyway......

This is not HUNT Wa's best moment.

LOTS of people speculating about another hunter without giving any benefit of the doubt.

I don't know anything about the situation.

I don't know FORDTOUGH or anyone else that was there.

I do know that rumors are just rumors.

My bet:   FORDTOUGH's explanation ends up being accurate.

If so, I hope some of you are man enough to apologize for impugning the character of these folks.

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[Idighuntin]

I have a question.  Is a hot dog a sammich?
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No

[runamuk]

Yeah...I got one.

Rin.....same popcorn kitty in two threads? You are better than that.

I was just bringing popcorn to the mess that is all.  Thats the only popcorn thingy I have in my puter so its the one I used.  Not my fault there are multiple trainwrecks on the same day. 
Now back to waiting for better info to pop up on facebook because often these get sorted out there sooner than they do here.  If a guy shot an elk with a pistol as others have said thats pretty cool.  I have been to this refuge once and its pretty well marked wasnt tough to know if I was on it or not.  But as I said I have been there once.
I figure wdfw will have it show up in their feed if its a legit offense.  I dont take the word of new people who join and post in a inflamed thread just because they claim to know the "real story".  If there is a real story it will come out if it was a mistaken situation everyone will forget inside of a few weeks.   

[h20hunter]

Ok. Fair enough. Carry on.

[UBA]

Did the guy have a flashlight taped to his pistol?

[motg9_6]

Ford tough I have a question since you were there and can give me a on the site details what happened when the COUNTY RD was blocked by the outfitters? Just curious.
 I personally worked for the refuge when I was a kid, my family owned property bordering the refuge, there's is no such thing as unmarked portion (also what happened to hunters responsibility of knowing the land)I am one of the supposedly jealous hunters you talk about but know something no locals were allowed to hunt that land where the issue was ONLY FAMILY, so what's the big deal?? I also am one of the very few people that have permission for a lot of that private land the surrounds the refuge. I talked to serveral of the surrounding land owners on this issue and would really like to comment but I will hold out for now.  Here are some things I know for a fact misrepresentation on the website issues with multiple adjacent land owners this outfitter has a rap sheet from previous endevours just sayin not an outfitter I want anywhere around this state heck at all for that matter!

[BUTTER]

First off I know alot if land owners by the refuge and first if all don't shoot bulls with a pistol especially right by a refuge line that it may run back on and if this is some credilbe guide service of any kind he would know instantly that the refuge authority's would not let anyone on the refuge to find his bull.       Here's my guess they shot the bull on the refuge maybe they didn't realize they were on and I get that fair enough but once they realized where they were they came up with this great 20 yard pistol bull ran off story well thought out.

[Whitpirate]

 

[Bango skank]

So is this confirmed twisted horn outfitters, or same guy with diff name at any rate?

[motg9_6]

Same guy different name, he was caught trespassing a couple years ago in Glenwood shot an elk that was wounded by a kid that had permission and got in to trouble for trying to take the kids animal! And to ad insult to injury it's a pic he uses to advertise on his site!!
Butter,
the refuge will gladly let you retrieve a wounded animal if you can prove it was shot on private property and is dead on the refuge, they will escort you out if the animal is seriously wounded and can be seen but not dead

[FordTough]

I think you guys may be reading into my message wrong. Not insulting anyone, just simply stating the facts. The guy shoots a 357 round that he custom loads. The cartridge is about 3 inches long. He has a 100yd and 200yd gun. He's extremely accurate at both yardages. There's video of the shot, the animal going down twice, and then turning and going towards the refuge but through a timber patch that has no fence or signage behind it to mark the property line. The guy who blocked the road the day before was acting like a fool telling some old guy he wasn't going to move because he was watching some elk, but it was a county road and he had no right to do that. The old guy is a friend of the land owner and want too happy. The guy had the outfitter info in the window of his truck, so he took it upon himself to call the authorities and tell them what he thought was going on. Like I said, from there, it was all by the books, minus the slip up on crossing the unmarked line. The bull was shot well within the private proprty. The feds wouldn't look at the video and didn't care about the recovery of the animal, and unfortunately the local authorities didn't have much to do with it since they were trumped in the situation. No permission was being given to go try and recover the bull. It has been in the past, but not this time!

I really hope this helps people out. Regardless of past issues or your personal take on the outfitter, this is far from what everyone speculated.

As for the question, who am I? I'm a nobody. I'm just the guy with the facts, about this incedent, who loves killing elk and deer with his bow.

Don't forget guys, innocent until proven guilty!

[Netminder01]

Did this thread just hit a cliff?

I've been under the impression (by other hunters and a few DFW officers) that if a game animal is shot legally on private land and crosses into land needing permission for recovery DFW officers may escort hunters specifically to recover an animal - not hunt.

Why was this animal left to waste??