Baiting on the chopping block

[Special T]

I just had a great discussion On this topic with Ren @ silver arrow bowmen  Over lunch. He is helping to repaint the clubhouse floor.
He told me that it seems that commisions tend to hold a greater value on hunter imput that other venue s. Make sure to let them know that Ren speaks for you as hunter. There were many bad proposals from those who dont hunt or those who have only hunted EWA. He understands the need for the minimum regulation possible. This whole issue stems from truckloads of apples dumped by the outfitter/orchardist hunters on surrounding land complaining, & now the anti hunters have picures of it to paint all baiting in the same light.

I havent baited in many years but will want to when I try and get my girl on her 1st deer. I will be writing my letter shortly.



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[Sitka_Blacktail]

How to make more money for the state.......

Fit the "illegal" box around more people.

It started with traps and hounds and baiting bears. If hunters keep letting this happen, it will eventually come to your favorite way of hunting. Voting is not an acceptable way to manage fish and game. Better pick out your new pass time.

[bobcat]

"If hunters let this happen"?

I really don't feel like we have much choice in the matter.

[SeaRun1]

Email sent.

[Bob33]

The problem is, how many hunters use bait for deer or elk? Maybe 1 in 100? The hunters who don't bait, don't care if it is banned.

I'm still hopeful that they'll only place a limit on the quantity that can be used.

If every one of those 1 in 100s communicated with the Commission it would have a tremendous impact but sadly few of them will.

[WARHORSE]

The problem is, how many hunters use bait for deer or elk? Maybe 1 in 100? The hunters who don't bait, don't care if it is banned.

I'm still hopeful that they'll only place a limit on the quantity that can be used.

If every one of those 1 in 100s communicated with the Commission it would have a tremendous impact but sadly few of them will.

1 in 100?  Good lord you obviously are out of touch with how much baiting goes on.

[JimmyHoffa]

The problem is, how many hunters use bait for deer or elk? Maybe 1 in 100? The hunters who don't bait, don't care if it is banned.

I'm still hopeful that they'll only place a limit on the quantity that can be used.

If every one of those 1 in 100s communicated with the Commission it would have a tremendous impact but sadly few of them will.

1 in 100?  Good lord you obviously are out of touch with how much baiting goes on.

For the westside, given the amount of road hunters I'd be surprised if it was as high as 1%.

[bobcat]

The problem is, how many hunters use bait for deer or elk? Maybe 1 in 100? The hunters who don't bait, don't care if it is banned.

I'm still hopeful that they'll only place a limit on the quantity that can be used.

If every one of those 1 in 100s communicated with the Commission it would have a tremendous impact but sadly few of them will.

1 in 100?  Good lord you obviously are out of touch with how much baiting goes on.

Maybe so, it was just a guess. I know a lot of hunters think baiting is illegal. And many don't have time to bait. The average hunter doesn't think about hunting every day of the year like many of us on this site do.

[WARHORSE]

That may be a stretch and i guess iam basing my numbers on what i see in late archery season. I have bated and killed a deer over bait, it didnt do a thing for me. The only thing that really bothers me is the amount of bait out in late archery season. One single person dropping 300 bins of apples, another dumping dump truck loads of apples. Its a bit much. The rutted out mulies dont stand a chance of coursr they are going to come from miles around to eat off the mtn of apples when they should be resting and recovering from the rut

[lokidog]

That may be a stretch and i guess iam basing my numbers on what i see in late archery season. I have bated it didnt do a thing for me. The only thing that really bothers me is the amount of bait out in late arcchery. One songle person dropping 300 bins of apples, another dumping dump truck loads of apples. Its a bit muck. The rutted out mulies dont stand a chance of coursr they are going to come from miles around to eat off the mtn of apples when they should be resting and recovering from the rut

Or, it could be looked at that there are a whole lot of non-targeted deer that are getting some extra calories (even though not the most nutritious) when they need it?  BTW, I am not a proponent of 300 bin dumps, however, if this needs to be allowed in order for those of us that throw out a dozen apples or a gallon of stock pellets to continue to do so, I will support that.

[winshooter88]

Guys,

The idea to ban baiting in this state was brought forth by both the anti-hunting community and a group of hunters who believe that baiting is unethical. The Wildlife commission was very close to banning baiting altogether at one of their meeting and it was suggested to them that they have the GMAC group look at it and give them input. The GMAC formed the small committee to look into the concerns and options, at Commissioner Jay Kehne's request a guide from the Okanogan was added to the small group, he happens to be (by his own admission) one of the guides who dumps multiple bins of fruit every year for bait.

If this small group and then the GMAC don't report back to the commission with some options then there will be only two ways to go, make no changes to baiting in this state, or ban baiting in the state.

What some may not realize is that the stuff you put out to attract animals to game cameras is considered baiting and would most likely fall under what ever rules are decided on.

Because the people that are against baiting are very organized, people who want to maintain baiting in whatever form need to make their voices heard. If they don't then baiting as we know it now will be gone.

I am on the baiting committee and for whatever reason I did not receive the e-mail from the enviros or who ever sent it about stopping baiting altogether as being the only option. I do believe that a compromise of some kind, particularly addressing the large amount of bait put out by guides, will be necessary to keep from losing baiting altogether.

Among the guidelines set out for the baiting committee was to keep any rules simple and enforceable, the one that would be the simplest and most easily enforceable would  be to limit the dates that they could bait and the amount of bait they could use for guides in this state. Smaller bait sites used by individuals would be hard to find in most instances, let alone who owns them.

[Todd_ID]

Guys,

The idea to ban baiting in this state was brought forth by both the anti-hunting community and a group of hunters who believe that baiting is unethical. The Wildlife commission was very close to banning baiting altogether at one of their meeting and it was suggested to them that they have the GMAC group look at it and give them input. The GMAC formed the small committee to look into the concerns and options, at Commissioner Jay Kehne's request a guide from the Okanogan was added to the small group, he happens to be (by his own admission) one of the guides who dumps multiple bins of fruit every year for bait.

If this small group and then the GMAC don't report back to the commission with some options then there will be only two ways to go, make no changes to baiting in this state, or ban baiting in the state.

What some may not realize is that the stuff you put out to attract animals to game cameras is considered baiting and would most likely fall under what ever rules are decided on.

Because the people that are against baiting are very organized, people who want to maintain baiting in whatever form need to make their voices heard. If they don't then baiting as we know it now will be gone.

I am on the baiting committee and for whatever reason I did not receive the e-mail from the enviros or who ever sent it about stopping baiting altogether as being the only option. I do believe that a compromise of some kind, particularly addressing the large amount of bait put out by guides, will be necessary to keep from losing baiting altogether.

Among the guidelines set out for the baiting committee was to keep any rules simple and enforceable, the one that would be the simplest and most easily enforceable would  be to limit the dates that they could bait and the amount of bait they could use for guides in this state. Smaller bait sites used by individuals would be hard to find in most instances, let alone who owns them.

Good response! And thanks for your service in sticking up for hunters. No change is the best answer. But, I didn't get the sense that would be an option lately. If migration effects are truly the main problem, then only enact rules that address that. No bait placed from Dec 15 to April 1.

[jasnt]

Email sent
No change !     

Dec 15-April 1 is when they could use the extra food. I feed year round and from dec-march I have alfalfa out

[creature522]

The problem is in the okanogan area. A lot of our public land has some private pieces mixed in. This is where the guides dump the dump truck loads of apples. The deer are drawn to their location. Less deer for the public to hunt.  Then on public land I was walking with my son through the woods and stumbled upon a bait pile. The guy in the blind was not happy.  It happens all the time. They take ownership over that location.  I guess that's Hunting on public land now.  But by all means let's listen to the hunting guides that make the money of our animals and the people who use them to buy our animals.  Its unique to this area from what I've seen so why not just stop it in the 3 gmus it affects. The three guides will get upset?


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[creature522]

I just had a great discussion On this topic with Ren @ silver arrow bowmen  Over lunch. He is helping to repaint the clubhouse floor.
He told me that it seems that commisions tend to hold a greater value on hunter imput that other venue s. Make sure to let them know that Ren speaks for you as hunter. There were many bad proposals from those who dont hunt or those who have only hunted EWA. He understands the need for the minimum regulation possible. This whole issue stems from truckloads of apples dumped by the outfitter/orchardist hunters on surrounding land complaining, & now the anti hunters have picures of it to paint all baiting in the same light.

I havent baited in many years but will want to when I try and get my girl on her 1st deer. I will be writing my letter shortly.



It's not an anti hunter movement. It's about hunters caring about the wildlife because the ones that live here see what is happening. Those pictures don't lie, that is what is going on. When I'm out with my kids that's what they see.


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