Ethical to shoot past 400 yards at elk w/AR15 based rifle? Yes/No

[Karl Blanchard]

Looks to be about double the min velocity required to reliably expand the hypothetical berger going a mere 2400fps at the muzzle on the hypothetical elk at 600 yards.

[Karl Blanchard]

Hey you never answered my riddle from last night bobcat

[bobcat]

6.5/264 doesn't start out at 2400 fps. My rifle shoots them well past 2500. you rounded 2490 down to suit your argument.

Okay, sorry, so let's round that up to 2500 fps and to me it still isn't a 600 yard elk cartridge. It's just not.

You want to shoot elk at 600 yards? Get something that has more than enough power, not just the bare minimum.

[jay.sharkbait]

Looks to be about double the min velocity required to reliably expand the hypothetical berger going a mere 2400fps at the muzzle on the hypothetical elk at 600 yards.

Hey can you run it at 2500? I want to see if your numbers are similar to mine.

I'm 3.8 mils, .71 TOF, 1753 fps and 839 ft-lbs energy at 500.

[Karl Blanchard]

Looks to be about double the min velocity required to reliably expand the hypothetical berger going a mere 2400fps at the muzzle on the hypothetical elk at 600 yards.

Hey can you run it at 2500? I want to see if your numbers are similar to mine.

I'm 3.8 mils, .71 TOF, 1753 fps and 839 ft-lbs energy at 500.

What bullet?  I used a 130 gr VLD because that would be my choice if it would feed properly.

[jay.sharkbait]

6.5/264 doesn't start out at 2400 fps. My rifle shoots them well past 2500. you rounded 2490 down to suit your argument.

Okay, sorry, so let's round that up to 2500 fps and to me it still isn't a 600 yard elk cartridge. It's just not.

You want to shoot elk at 600 yards? Get something that has more than enough power, not just the bare minimum.

So now we are back to imposing ethics on others?

I have a couple old dusty rifles in the safe that you would like better, but choose to hunt with the AR. At some point i'll get bored with that and build something fun.

[Karl Blanchard]

This is same bullet with the 100 fps bump

[jay.sharkbait]

Looks to be about double the min velocity required to reliably expand the hypothetical berger going a mere 2400fps at the muzzle on the hypothetical elk at 600 yards.

Hey can you run it at 2500? I want to see if your numbers are similar to mine.

I'm 3.8 mils, .71 TOF, 1753 fps and 839 ft-lbs energy at 500.

What bullet?  I used a 130 gr VLD because that would be my choice if it would feed properly.

SST. I found the VLD's too long and took up to much case capacity. It's only 500-600 yd.

[yorketransport]

Looks to be about double the min velocity required to reliably expand the hypothetical berger going a mere 2400fps at the muzzle on the hypothetical elk at 600 yards.

Hey can you run it at 2500? I want to see if your numbers are similar to mine.

I'm 3.8 mils, .71 TOF, 1753 fps and 839 ft-lbs energy at 500.

I need to step up my loads! This is the 130 accubond @ 2430 from the little 19" CZ 527.


But mine's alright because it's out of a bolt gun. 

[jay.sharkbait]

Looks to be about double the min velocity required to reliably expand the hypothetical berger going a mere 2400fps at the muzzle on the hypothetical elk at 600 yards.

Hey can you run it at 2500? I want to see if your numbers are similar to mine.

I'm 3.8 mils, .71 TOF, 1753 fps and 839 ft-lbs energy at 500.

I need to step up my loads! This is the 130 accubond @ 2430 from the little 19" CZ 527.


But mine's alright because it's out of a bolt gun. 

Need to get your 6.5 AR15 going!

That should end this little drama.

[mountainman]

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[Biggerhammer]

The rifle is not really relevant. What matters is the bullet and the velocity. That's all anyone needs to know to judge how effective a particular cartridge might be on an elk standing at 600 yards. I don't think I need to have hunted with an AR15 in order to have an educated opinion on the topic.

When did this hypothetical elk move to 600 yards?

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I chose that number because I wanted to know what we're actually talking about here. The title of the thread says "past 400." Well, how far past? I could see 401 yards being do-able. 450 maybe, 500, well that's really stretching it, but maybe. So, I kept asking about an elk at 600 yards and none of these self proclaimed ballistic experts ever admitted that 600 yards just might be too far for a 120 grain bullet that starts out at a measly 2400 fps.

You must have "Selective reading recall" you can sure google the heck out of everything but you can't recall the whole post is about a Elk killed with a 6.5 Grendel at 411 yards. That's 4-1-1 yards ( Four Hundred Eleven). That's exactly 11(Eleven) yards past 400(Four Hundred) yards to answer your question. 600 yards has nothing to do with it? Even for those you choose to call self proclaimed. Then again you weren't standing over the Elk taken at 411(Four Hundred Eleven) yards with a measly muzzle velocity were you?

Quack! Quack! Quack!

[Biggerhammer]

6.5/264 doesn't start out at 2400 fps. My rifle shoots them well past 2500. you rounded 2490 down to suit your argument.

Okay, sorry, so let's round that up to 2500 fps and to me it still isn't a 600 yard elk cartridge. It's just not.

You want to shoot elk at 600 yards? Get something that has more than enough power, not just the bare minimum.

Again 600 yards is your hang up/ detour. It has nothing to do with this thread?

[bobcat]

Hammer- I didn't read the first several pages of this thread so I easily could have missed the post about an elk at 411 yards.

Hunt with what you want and shoot as far as you want. I don't care. I don't have time for this anymore. You know my opinion and I know yours.

Life will go on.

[jasnt]

I always find it funny how people say you need so many ft./lbs of energy to kill such and such. How many ft./lbs of energy does a arrow have? My point is ft./lbs is a poor way to decide the killing factor of any projectile.  Use what your proficient at and learn your personal range and what you CAN do with it.  Don't let any one tell you what you should use. Seems we all can agree that shot placement trumps "knock down power" 100% of the time.  For the record I'll take my 243 win over any ar15 cal but not because I think it's better. Because it's my fav cal of all. I know it inside and out and have exp with just about every bullet made for it. I know what "I" can do with it but I'm not going to tell any one else what they should use.