Ticket for no license

[HardCorpsHuntr]

Why do people go into law enforcement? so that they can have the power to enforce the law.  Have you seen rugged justice these guys are not good people they are dicks who probably couldn't be sucessful in a non government job.  I don't get along well with people on a power trip. There job is to be on a power trip. Let's not pretend they actually care about wildlife they like to enforce the law on people to a tee. Now what kind of person would ever want to do that. I have lots of respect for most areas of enforcement where they care about the good of a community. the Wdfw I have little respect for because they have no respect for wildlife and follow corrupt liberal anti hunting groups orders. If they would sack up and start managing predators in this state I would have a lot more respect for them.

Huh!  You've truly lost touch with reality!  Or, you're horrible at expressing yourself accurately with words.  Or, both.   

[skipjack]

So using your thought process what your saying is you don't respect members of the armed forces because of the policy decisions the President makes? I know for a fact there are some bad soldiers... I saw it on TV...
My point is teach kids respect and if they feel something is not fair get involved and make a difference.. You don't have to become an officer... Become a lawyer or get involved with the planning and governance meetings in your community...

[bigtex]

This is amazing.. When I was young if I came home with a ticket my parents would have punished me and absolutely taken the side of the officer. I can't imagine coming home and them saying oh it's not your fault it's just a bad officer. When you hear people ask why kids feel so entitled now this is your answer.. It seems wierd that respecting authority and your elders is no longer a thing... Sounds like alot of people in line to become law enforcement (if you don't like the way it's done do it yourself)...

I was actually going to say something similar to this today. I grew up in the generation where you took responsibility for your actions. Were you speeding and got caught? You paid the ticket, you didn't try and get off on some technicality or go and lie to the judge.

But now it seems like every time someone on here gets cited the first thing many people say is LE is revenue generators, LE is corrupt, fight the ticket, LE should worry about bigger issues, lawyer up, etc. It seems like nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore!

I'll just say this, WDFW gets $0 from citations they issue, the money goes to the county government who then spend it on anything they see fit. As far as worrying on bigger issues, well why don't we just get rid of fishing or hunting licenses, red/green dot roads, limits on trout, clams, etc because who really cares about those things right? Aren't the only things that are important are deer, elk, salmon, steelhead??

The kid has a few options:
-Pay it outright
-Seek a reduction in the fine
-Seek a deferral (pay a civil fee, be a good boy for 6-12 months and it goes away)
-Try to get it dismissed

[JDHasty]

This is amazing.. When I was young if I came home with a ticket my parents would have punished me and absolutely taken the side of the officer. I can't imagine coming home and them saying oh it's not your fault it's just a bad officer. When you hear people ask why kids feel so entitled now this is your answer.. It seems wierd that respecting authority and your elders is no longer a thing... Sounds like alot of people in line to become law enforcement (if you don't like the way it's done do it yourself)...

I was actually going to say something similar to this today. I grew up in the generation where you took responsibility for your actions. Were you speeding and got caught? You paid the ticket, you didn't try and get off on some technicality or go and lie to the judge.

But now it seems like every time someone on here gets cited the first thing many people say is LE is revenue generators, LE is corrupt, fight the ticket, LE should worry about bigger issues, lawyer up, etc. It seems like nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore!

I'll just say this, WDFW gets $0 from citations they issue, the money goes to the county government who then spend it on anything they see fit. As far as worrying on bigger issues, well why don't we just get rid of fishing or hunting licenses, red/green dot roads, limits on trout, clams, etc because who really cares about those things right? Aren't the only things that are important are deer, elk, salmon, steelhead??

The kid has a few options:
-Pay it outright
-Seek a reduction in the fine
-Seek a deferral (pay a civil fee, be a good boy for 6-12 months and it goes away)
-Try to get it dismissed

As I said above:  If the kid's actions were not consistent with him simply minding a pole for a couple minutes while the other kid went to the restroom then he should man up and pay the ticket or admit to it but throw himself on the mercy of the court.

Now onto this larger issue:   But now it seems like every time someone on here gets cited the first thing many people say is LE is revenue generators, LE is corrupt, fight the ticket, LE should worry about bigger issues, lawyer up, etc. It seems like nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore!

The State Legislature and Governor and even more culpable parties to this are local politicians who look at the residents primarily as a "funding mechanism" for their schemes.  And just in case any of you have any question regarding how you are looked at all you have to do is take a look at how the red light camera schemes are operated.  I personally attended a seminar that was held in Bellevue about twelve years ago and both Redflex and competitors representatives were present and can attest to the fact that there were a lot of side discussions going on between staff from various agencies and the company people regarding "shorting the amber phase" in order to maximize revenues.  That these people would even consider shorting the amber phase in order to maximize revenues, which puts your property and health at risk - tells me that there is nothing they would not do for revenues?  Now, make no mistake about this, what they were talking about was how to implement amber phases that clearly did not meet the minimum in the MUTCD or AASHTO.   

[WAPatriot]

This is America. I'd rather pay the a lawyer. And no offense big tex but you have a very skewed biased opinion.  The game department is so corrupt I understand officers have protocols to follow but there is a big difference in someone snagging salmon with a string of trebal hooks and someone using a 4 foot leader and a single barbless hook. Officiers these days are out to get people in trouble. Snagging with trebal hooks is a lot different than a fish that accidentally gets flossed but they are treated the same.

[WAPatriot]

Look at this baiting issue it is complete and total bs that 68% of hunters in Washington are opposed to baiting elk. 

[JimmyHoffa]

This is amazing.. When I was young if I came home with a ticket my parents would have punished me and absolutely taken the side of the officer. I can't imagine coming home and them saying oh it's not your fault it's just a bad officer. When you hear people ask why kids feel so entitled now this is your answer.. It seems wierd that respecting authority and your elders is no longer a thing... Sounds like alot of people in line to become law enforcement (if you don't like the way it's done do it yourself)...

I think true for back then, but back in those days it seems there was a lot less being regulated.  Stuff that was no big deal then is life altering now.  It's kind of hard not to think there's a big push to grab for revenue from those that are likely to pay, especially when the ones unlikely to pay get away with crimes repeatedly.  There's a gazillion examples out there that are grinding at people.

[JDHasty]

This is amazing.. When I was young if I came home with a ticket my parents would have punished me and absolutely taken the side of the officer. I can't imagine coming home and them saying oh it's not your fault it's just a bad officer. When you hear people ask why kids feel so entitled now this is your answer.. It seems wierd that respecting authority and your elders is no longer a thing... Sounds like alot of people in line to become law enforcement (if you don't like the way it's done do it yourself)...

I think true for back then, but back in those days it seems there was a lot less being regulated.  Stuff that was no big deal then is life altering now.  It's kind of hard not to think there's a big push to grab for revenue from those that are likely to pay, especially when the ones unlikely to pay get away with crimes repeatedly.  There's a gazillion examples out there that are grinding at people.

There is a big push to "grab for revenue" from those who work for a living in order to transfer those funds to those who vote for a living.   

[WAPatriot]

Jimmy and JD great points. Also the rules are so convoluted its damn near impossible to keep them all straight. I am lucky in that most the times I have dealt with officers they have been cool. I could have gotten busted fishing in neah off totosh island I had no idea about the 120 foot line. And you basically need a gps to know about the line.

Also barbless hooks when crimping the barb if it dosnt break off is it not in compliance.

[Gobble Doc]

Some real data for this event could sure help make this a more informed thread.  I'd love to see for just once a combination of 1. any criminal record of the kids involved and if they have had recent encounters with WDFW or other LEO (does the kid have a history of being responsible or is he a hellion?), 2. a history of the officer to know if he's pulled this stuff before (is this guy a jerk or is he a reasonably respected guy), and 3. a video of how the kid with the 2 rods was acting. Too little data, too much speculation. 

[Angry Perch]

This is America. I'd rather pay the a lawyer. And no offense big tex but you have a very skewed biased opinion.  The game department is so corrupt I understand officers have protocols to follow but there is a big difference in someone snagging salmon with a string of trebal hooks and someone using a 4 foot leader and a single barbless hook. Officiers these days are out to get people in trouble. Snagging with trebal hooks is a lot different than a fish that accidentally gets flossed but they are treated the same.

And there you have it.

[JDHasty]

Jimmy and JD great points. Also the rules are so convoluted its damn near impossible to keep them all straight. I am lucky in that most the times I have dealt with officers they have been cool. I could have gotten busted fishing in neah off totosh island I had no idea about the 120 foot line. And you basically need a gps to know about the line.

Also barbless hooks when crimping the barb if it dosnt break off is it not in compliance.

Are there bigger hard a** enforcement officers than Bill Jarmon and Rich Mann?  Hey, these guys are "by the book." 

When we were fishing off the under 12 or over 65 or handicapped dock and Jarmon caught us sitting in wheelchairs impersonating a couple disabled guys w/a fishing pole in their hand (it was obvious that we did not meet the age qualifications so we appropriated a couple old wheelchairs from somewhere) we had to shovel raccoon crap, dig fence holes, mow the lawn and crack corn for Bud at the Philips Rd Game Farm for about six-months of weekends and afternoons.  But there were so many other times that we were approached by these two enforcement officers that I could not begin to count them all.  There were three or four instances when we were in our teen years wherein we were jsut not paying attention and were not intending to circumvent any law or regulation and they just gave us a warning and some friendly advice to be more cognizant of what we are doing and what exactly the letter of the law is.   

[Alchase]

And no offense big tex but you have a very skewed biased opinion. 

I'm sorry, you lost all credibility in my eyes with that statement

BigText, has done us all such a great favor with what he posts. And if anything, he has gone out of his way to post information "as it is written" leaving his personal views aside.

We use to have a couple different users that were either LE or WDFW, and it is comments like yours that have drove them away.

It is not BigText who has the biased opinion.

[Special T]

This is amazing.. When I was young if I came home with a ticket my parents would have punished me and absolutely taken the side of the officer. I can't imagine coming home and them saying oh it's not your fault it's just a bad officer. When you hear people ask why kids feel so entitled now this is your answer.. It seems wierd that respecting authority and your elders is no longer a thing... Sounds like alot of people in line to become law enforcement (if you don't like the way it's done do it yourself)...

I was actually going to say something similar to this today. I grew up in the generation where you took responsibility for your actions. Were you speeding and got caught? You paid the ticket, you didn't try and get off on some technicality or go and lie to the judge.

But now it seems like every time someone on here gets cited the first thing many people say is LE is revenue generators, LE is corrupt, fight the ticket, LE should worry about bigger issues, lawyer up, etc. It seems like nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore!

I'll just say this, WDFW gets $0 from citations they issue, the money goes to the county government who then spend it on anything they see fit. As far as worrying on bigger issues, well why don't we just get rid of fishing or hunting licenses, red/green dot roads, limits on trout, clams, etc because who really cares about those things right? Aren't the only things that are important are deer, elk, salmon, steelhead??

The kid has a few options:
-Pay it outright
-Seek a reduction in the fine
-Seek a deferral (pay a civil fee, be a good boy for 6-12 months and it goes away)
-Try to get it dismissed

When I was a kid it wasnt really that uncommon for minors caught drinking but no wild told to pour the booze out and get taken home. No mip
Is the kid guilty? Yup.
But then again so was the father last year that got popped for handing his rod to his young kid after the hook had been set.
The retarted kid with the broken fishing pole in the NE that had no lic and beef jerkey taped to his line was cited also. That leo was run out of the ne and is now the captain of enforcement in the skagit Snohomish area.
All these people broke the law but not all needed citing. I can say that if the wdfw cared about hunter recruitment they may consider how thier enforcement is being done. Ive been given verbal warnings for having a tail light out, or driving a little over the speed limit. I have heard from more than 1 gamewarden that they dont issue warnings because they might not ever see them again.

[JDHasty]

The retarted kid with the broken fishing pole in the NE that had no lic and beef jerkey taped to his line was cited also.

Are you serious?