Anyone see this crap? PS salmon season this year.

[jackmaster]

Seattle times article has a picture of an Indian throwing a spear to catch salmon. I love how they romantisize the tribes and there actions to the masses. Especially in the face of sportsman getting bend over.

they should show everyone how they truly fish and the damage that they and commercial guys cause..

[PolarBear]

They should show the video of the Squaxins stabbing and drowning a blacktail buck to death as part of a "tribal ceremony"!

[Special T]

On a side note... salmon are not always the end game. Water rights are. Here in skagit county the Swinomish tribe has all well drilling rights locked up. You cant stick a well on your property in the mountains because everything in the watershed is considered part of the river. There are some huge financial shake downs in the works $ ammounts exponentially bigger than the $ made off netting salmon. I think the tribes are playing chess and many are not understanding how the far reaching effects of water rights are.

[Wingin it]

The water rights in the Skagit are a mess. My guess is that the forcast is way off base. It will be a monster run and we will get a late, very late emergency opening. Problem is, all the fish will be colored up boots not worth catching. The tribes will load up and get theirs while the getting is good. Sportsman will pay for it all and get the shaft again.

[lokidog]

The problem is that the Feds are going to fast track the Indian proposal and wait until the season is done to consider WDFW's, WTCrap is up with that?

[pd]

The problem is that the Feds are going to fast track the Indian proposal and wait until the season is done to consider WDFW's, WTCrap is up with that?

Ed, from the outside it sure seems that way: About a month for the tribal proposal to pass muster with NOAA, but something like 7 months for the DFW plan to be approved.  It seems like the state's proposal has to go through public comment periods and the like.  This is new for everybody, and I doubt anybody likes this idea.  I sure don't

[lokidog]

Has there been a public comment period on previous North of Falcon proposals?  I don't recall seeing them.  It seems they (the agreed combo ones) have gone through in the time frame that the Indian's one will this year, why not now?   

[Encore 280]

Has anyone seen or heard anything about what the Willapa Bay fishery will be like? Usually goes by the same rules as MA 2 but a 6 fish limit.

[pd]

Has there been a public comment period on previous North of Falcon proposals?  I don't recall seeing them.  It seems they (the agreed combo ones) have gone through in the time frame that the Indian's one will this year, why not now?   

No.  In the previous 30 years, the north of falcon process was resolved "amicably" between the tribes and DFW, so there was no need for further permitting from the federal government.  If I get this right, this year would be the first time ever the state applied separately, which requires the longer process.  At least that is what I understand of this.  I am not sure why the tribal permit would be so much faster to process (maybe they don't require a public comment period??? not sure.).

[pd]

Has anyone seen or heard anything about what the Willapa Bay fishery will be like? Usually goes by the same rules as MA 2 but a 6 fish limit.

I think the state and the coastal tribes settled their issues already, so the plan must be good to go.  I am not sure what it is.  Can I get some smoked fish from you, again??   

[Stickerbush]

I'm just curious, with the wild fish conservancy suing the state and bieng anti hatchery. Do they have any beef with the tribes at all? It seems like they would or do they just pick on wdfw because they are an easy target? Or are they too politically correct to go after natives even though they seem to be depleting the stocks

[Whitpirate]

The sue the state because they can recover money from them via fees and "studies."  The Tribes won't pay and they have no means to force them.  This is a cash game.

[singleshot12]

No worries,the fish gods are in control..and any greed or corruption shall have checks and balances.

[JimmyHoffa]

WDFW was an easy target because their permits weren't approved and they were operating the hatcheries regardless.  I think that the permits basically sat on a desk with NOAA and never got looked at until the lawsuit.  As bas as those anti-hatchery people are, WDFW pretty much dropped the ball on that.  I've heard that the antis threatened to sue the Elwha tribe, but it was because the NOAA and the Park Service were involved that the threat was even considered.  Guess the park talked the tribe into not planting for a couple years, so the park could avoid legal action; but if it had only been the tribe I bet the fish groups would lose.

[Alpine Mojo]

The sue the state because they can recover money from them via fees and "studies."  The Tribes won't pay and they have no means to force them.  This is a cash game.

   It's not about the salmon.  It's all about $$$.