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Where was this bull shot?
Quote from: emac on June 06, 2016, 09:16:06 PMQuote from: Bullkllr on June 06, 2016, 07:31:41 PMI can see trying to defend a friend, or whatever. But come on...from the outside looking in, this does not look like a simple mistake, an oversight, or anything that could possibly be legitimized with a phone call.And compared to the several other websites I have seen this issue addressed, the discussion here has been calm and civilized.What other sites is this being discussed on. I wanna see other train wrecksSent from my XT1254 using TapatalkSeveral pages here:http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11165637/Re:_Charges_Filed!!!__-_2015_WIn the comments, if you haven't seen this:http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/hunter-facing-charges-after-death-of-beloved-elk-named-bullwinkle/article_844ec8ac-1a65-11e6-8639-53981ae0fc80.htmlA bit here; nothing new:http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=1243914Letter to the editor, and comments:http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/members/letter-as-a-hunter-disgusted-with-killing-of-bullwinkle/article_af72f16e-1e09-11e6-af5a-134c6e038aed.htmlHard to imagine a 'win', regardless of what the court decides.
Quote from: Bullkllr on June 06, 2016, 07:31:41 PMI can see trying to defend a friend, or whatever. But come on...from the outside looking in, this does not look like a simple mistake, an oversight, or anything that could possibly be legitimized with a phone call.And compared to the several other websites I have seen this issue addressed, the discussion here has been calm and civilized.What other sites is this being discussed on. I wanna see other train wrecksSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
I can see trying to defend a friend, or whatever. But come on...from the outside looking in, this does not look like a simple mistake, an oversight, or anything that could possibly be legitimized with a phone call.And compared to the several other websites I have seen this issue addressed, the discussion here has been calm and civilized.
Quote from: klickman on June 06, 2016, 09:27:43 PMQuote from: kiticaashunter on June 06, 2016, 07:50:25 PMQuote from: Colville on June 06, 2016, 02:44:18 PM.....So, preach to me about how you have never broke a law before hunting... Pope, there may be some people butt hurt about his money. And you are right, most will have broken game laws somewhere along the line.This is a Clintonian what’s the definition of “is” type of argument that is being made. It’s a legalistic bit of maneuvering, a charade. People aren’t dumb. They can read the regs. It’s plain as day that this discussion of true vs regular spike was an attempt to thread a legal needle. They were hoping, angling and prying to get someone at WDFW to contort the regs into a pretzel in order to claim the unit was open to branch bull hunting. Not caring that even if they would say it’s “ok” that it should never be done. That particular bull, where it lived, should not have been shot as a matter of good public relations and decency.To the others that think his reputation is at stake in the court case. No, it isn’t. A very popular animal, open to public view and regularly photographed, safe from any legal hunting pressure, living in wide open alfalfa fields, no longer behaving like a wild elk in or out of elk season was shot with the ease of a killing a heifer by a someone who paid $50k+ for the privilege, observed now by hunters who see the rules as clear as water. The harm to reputation has nothing to do with the case outcome. Many legal, yet repugnant, things can be done. If you know that bull has notoriety and is loved in the community and you wiggle around a way to shoot it anyway right on that open field, you are putting a stick right in those people’s eye. There’s no way around that fact. A call may insulate you from legal penalty, but it can do nothing to protect someone from the public’s judgment. A satirical description of the hunt: I drove up on the black top and parked. A school bus and a mom in her minivan passed by. Still in the cab, the wily creature was hard to make out as it stood in the thickest cover, the deepest 10 inches of alfalfa this field was choked with. I put down my road mug of starbucks and the second half of my bear claw on the dash. I pulled up my Swaro 10x50’s, yep, that’s the bull. He was a bit faint, but at 100 yards I was able to pick him out through the thick stuff. My door closing behind me with a thud I made for the back of the truck. My buddy Zeb helped and loaded the gun. My friends and I all wore jeans and flannel shirts so that we would fit in the bull’s natural environment. Just another farmer over here, no worries mr elk (at least that’s the theory). I could hear traffic and children’s voices in the distance of this wild place. Next we came up with a plan to get on this beast. After much debate…. I began to walk straight at him. One, two, three steps, stopped. Forgot my hat on the hood of the truck. Darn it!!! I hope this doesn’t spoil the stalk. I went back for my hat when it occurred to me that I hadn’t finished my danish so I opened the rig and stuffed the 2nd half in my mouth and pulled my hat down tight for the stalk. My pulse rate was easily 70 now with the anticipation. I pulled up my Swaros again, there he was, now laying down and chewing cud in the gnarly thicket, looking straight at me. Though he was unable to see me in the extreme farmer break up pattern we’re wearing. Two, three, four steps. I’m getting sweaty now and a little nervous so I take a couple minutes to calm down. Five…. That oughta do it. BANG. Flop.YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! WHAHOOO!!!!! What a hunt, what a great animal…!! Hi Mrs Johnson, we’ll get it out of the field in just a minute, nice dress you have on, is that paisley?Doesn't seem most on here agree with this post. They are just fine when another member on here helps kill a yard bull that some called Cupcake and even used bait. It was also a very well known bull. In fact your story you came up with much more resembles that situation than the one we are talking about here.if one shouldn't have been done for public relations and decency, the other one should definitely not have either. But the some on here call Cupcake a trophy, but not the other....Where you on this hunt? How do you know what happened? You question everyone who goes against TR yet you continue to try to muddy the waters about a completely LEGAL hunt. It just reeks of jealousy. Maybe it's because a big payday was missed when another hunter shot the other bull TR was after?Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo I wasn't there but did speak with someone who saw it. Your right it was legal and I don't have a problem with it. I was quoting a post that had commented about shooting a field bull and the trophy factor in that, I was just pointing out how some on here will call one a trophy and not the other.
Quote from: kiticaashunter on June 06, 2016, 07:50:25 PMQuote from: Colville on June 06, 2016, 02:44:18 PM.....So, preach to me about how you have never broke a law before hunting... Pope, there may be some people butt hurt about his money. And you are right, most will have broken game laws somewhere along the line.This is a Clintonian what’s the definition of “is” type of argument that is being made. It’s a legalistic bit of maneuvering, a charade. People aren’t dumb. They can read the regs. It’s plain as day that this discussion of true vs regular spike was an attempt to thread a legal needle. They were hoping, angling and prying to get someone at WDFW to contort the regs into a pretzel in order to claim the unit was open to branch bull hunting. Not caring that even if they would say it’s “ok” that it should never be done. That particular bull, where it lived, should not have been shot as a matter of good public relations and decency.To the others that think his reputation is at stake in the court case. No, it isn’t. A very popular animal, open to public view and regularly photographed, safe from any legal hunting pressure, living in wide open alfalfa fields, no longer behaving like a wild elk in or out of elk season was shot with the ease of a killing a heifer by a someone who paid $50k+ for the privilege, observed now by hunters who see the rules as clear as water. The harm to reputation has nothing to do with the case outcome. Many legal, yet repugnant, things can be done. If you know that bull has notoriety and is loved in the community and you wiggle around a way to shoot it anyway right on that open field, you are putting a stick right in those people’s eye. There’s no way around that fact. A call may insulate you from legal penalty, but it can do nothing to protect someone from the public’s judgment. A satirical description of the hunt: I drove up on the black top and parked. A school bus and a mom in her minivan passed by. Still in the cab, the wily creature was hard to make out as it stood in the thickest cover, the deepest 10 inches of alfalfa this field was choked with. I put down my road mug of starbucks and the second half of my bear claw on the dash. I pulled up my Swaro 10x50’s, yep, that’s the bull. He was a bit faint, but at 100 yards I was able to pick him out through the thick stuff. My door closing behind me with a thud I made for the back of the truck. My buddy Zeb helped and loaded the gun. My friends and I all wore jeans and flannel shirts so that we would fit in the bull’s natural environment. Just another farmer over here, no worries mr elk (at least that’s the theory). I could hear traffic and children’s voices in the distance of this wild place. Next we came up with a plan to get on this beast. After much debate…. I began to walk straight at him. One, two, three steps, stopped. Forgot my hat on the hood of the truck. Darn it!!! I hope this doesn’t spoil the stalk. I went back for my hat when it occurred to me that I hadn’t finished my danish so I opened the rig and stuffed the 2nd half in my mouth and pulled my hat down tight for the stalk. My pulse rate was easily 70 now with the anticipation. I pulled up my Swaros again, there he was, now laying down and chewing cud in the gnarly thicket, looking straight at me. Though he was unable to see me in the extreme farmer break up pattern we’re wearing. Two, three, four steps. I’m getting sweaty now and a little nervous so I take a couple minutes to calm down. Five…. That oughta do it. BANG. Flop.YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! WHAHOOO!!!!! What a hunt, what a great animal…!! Hi Mrs Johnson, we’ll get it out of the field in just a minute, nice dress you have on, is that paisley?Doesn't seem most on here agree with this post. They are just fine when another member on here helps kill a yard bull that some called Cupcake and even used bait. It was also a very well known bull. In fact your story you came up with much more resembles that situation than the one we are talking about here.if one shouldn't have been done for public relations and decency, the other one should definitely not have either. But the some on here call Cupcake a trophy, but not the other....Where you on this hunt? How do you know what happened? You question everyone who goes against TR yet you continue to try to muddy the waters about a completely LEGAL hunt. It just reeks of jealousy. Maybe it's because a big payday was missed when another hunter shot the other bull TR was after?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: Colville on June 06, 2016, 02:44:18 PM.....So, preach to me about how you have never broke a law before hunting... Pope, there may be some people butt hurt about his money. And you are right, most will have broken game laws somewhere along the line.This is a Clintonian what’s the definition of “is” type of argument that is being made. It’s a legalistic bit of maneuvering, a charade. People aren’t dumb. They can read the regs. It’s plain as day that this discussion of true vs regular spike was an attempt to thread a legal needle. They were hoping, angling and prying to get someone at WDFW to contort the regs into a pretzel in order to claim the unit was open to branch bull hunting. Not caring that even if they would say it’s “ok” that it should never be done. That particular bull, where it lived, should not have been shot as a matter of good public relations and decency.To the others that think his reputation is at stake in the court case. No, it isn’t. A very popular animal, open to public view and regularly photographed, safe from any legal hunting pressure, living in wide open alfalfa fields, no longer behaving like a wild elk in or out of elk season was shot with the ease of a killing a heifer by a someone who paid $50k+ for the privilege, observed now by hunters who see the rules as clear as water. The harm to reputation has nothing to do with the case outcome. Many legal, yet repugnant, things can be done. If you know that bull has notoriety and is loved in the community and you wiggle around a way to shoot it anyway right on that open field, you are putting a stick right in those people’s eye. There’s no way around that fact. A call may insulate you from legal penalty, but it can do nothing to protect someone from the public’s judgment. A satirical description of the hunt: I drove up on the black top and parked. A school bus and a mom in her minivan passed by. Still in the cab, the wily creature was hard to make out as it stood in the thickest cover, the deepest 10 inches of alfalfa this field was choked with. I put down my road mug of starbucks and the second half of my bear claw on the dash. I pulled up my Swaro 10x50’s, yep, that’s the bull. He was a bit faint, but at 100 yards I was able to pick him out through the thick stuff. My door closing behind me with a thud I made for the back of the truck. My buddy Zeb helped and loaded the gun. My friends and I all wore jeans and flannel shirts so that we would fit in the bull’s natural environment. Just another farmer over here, no worries mr elk (at least that’s the theory). I could hear traffic and children’s voices in the distance of this wild place. Next we came up with a plan to get on this beast. After much debate…. I began to walk straight at him. One, two, three steps, stopped. Forgot my hat on the hood of the truck. Darn it!!! I hope this doesn’t spoil the stalk. I went back for my hat when it occurred to me that I hadn’t finished my danish so I opened the rig and stuffed the 2nd half in my mouth and pulled my hat down tight for the stalk. My pulse rate was easily 70 now with the anticipation. I pulled up my Swaros again, there he was, now laying down and chewing cud in the gnarly thicket, looking straight at me. Though he was unable to see me in the extreme farmer break up pattern we’re wearing. Two, three, four steps. I’m getting sweaty now and a little nervous so I take a couple minutes to calm down. Five…. That oughta do it. BANG. Flop.YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! WHAHOOO!!!!! What a hunt, what a great animal…!! Hi Mrs Johnson, we’ll get it out of the field in just a minute, nice dress you have on, is that paisley?Doesn't seem most on here agree with this post. They are just fine when another member on here helps kill a yard bull that some called Cupcake and even used bait. It was also a very well known bull. In fact your story you came up with much more resembles that situation than the one we are talking about here.if one shouldn't have been done for public relations and decency, the other one should definitely not have either. But the some on here call Cupcake a trophy, but not the other....
.....So, preach to me about how you have never broke a law before hunting... Pope, there may be some people butt hurt about his money. And you are right, most will have broken game laws somewhere along the line.This is a Clintonian what’s the definition of “is” type of argument that is being made. It’s a legalistic bit of maneuvering, a charade. People aren’t dumb. They can read the regs. It’s plain as day that this discussion of true vs regular spike was an attempt to thread a legal needle. They were hoping, angling and prying to get someone at WDFW to contort the regs into a pretzel in order to claim the unit was open to branch bull hunting. Not caring that even if they would say it’s “ok” that it should never be done. That particular bull, where it lived, should not have been shot as a matter of good public relations and decency.To the others that think his reputation is at stake in the court case. No, it isn’t. A very popular animal, open to public view and regularly photographed, safe from any legal hunting pressure, living in wide open alfalfa fields, no longer behaving like a wild elk in or out of elk season was shot with the ease of a killing a heifer by a someone who paid $50k+ for the privilege, observed now by hunters who see the rules as clear as water. The harm to reputation has nothing to do with the case outcome. Many legal, yet repugnant, things can be done. If you know that bull has notoriety and is loved in the community and you wiggle around a way to shoot it anyway right on that open field, you are putting a stick right in those people’s eye. There’s no way around that fact. A call may insulate you from legal penalty, but it can do nothing to protect someone from the public’s judgment. A satirical description of the hunt: I drove up on the black top and parked. A school bus and a mom in her minivan passed by. Still in the cab, the wily creature was hard to make out as it stood in the thickest cover, the deepest 10 inches of alfalfa this field was choked with. I put down my road mug of starbucks and the second half of my bear claw on the dash. I pulled up my Swaro 10x50’s, yep, that’s the bull. He was a bit faint, but at 100 yards I was able to pick him out through the thick stuff. My door closing behind me with a thud I made for the back of the truck. My buddy Zeb helped and loaded the gun. My friends and I all wore jeans and flannel shirts so that we would fit in the bull’s natural environment. Just another farmer over here, no worries mr elk (at least that’s the theory). I could hear traffic and children’s voices in the distance of this wild place. Next we came up with a plan to get on this beast. After much debate…. I began to walk straight at him. One, two, three steps, stopped. Forgot my hat on the hood of the truck. Darn it!!! I hope this doesn’t spoil the stalk. I went back for my hat when it occurred to me that I hadn’t finished my danish so I opened the rig and stuffed the 2nd half in my mouth and pulled my hat down tight for the stalk. My pulse rate was easily 70 now with the anticipation. I pulled up my Swaros again, there he was, now laying down and chewing cud in the gnarly thicket, looking straight at me. Though he was unable to see me in the extreme farmer break up pattern we’re wearing. Two, three, four steps. I’m getting sweaty now and a little nervous so I take a couple minutes to calm down. Five…. That oughta do it. BANG. Flop.YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! WHAHOOO!!!!! What a hunt, what a great animal…!! Hi Mrs Johnson, we’ll get it out of the field in just a minute, nice dress you have on, is that paisley?
kiticaashunter,Where you present when the Bullwinkle Bull was shot?
Quote from: Alchase on June 07, 2016, 10:24:21 AMkiticaashunter,Where you present when the Bullwinkle Bull was shot?I have provided more details than anyone else on this issue. I have said all I can at this point. I hope the others that continue to ask me questions read this and stop asking for things I can't tell them. There will be a point this whole thing is over and the truth will be proven.
Quote from: kiticaashunter on June 07, 2016, 10:30:11 AMQuote from: Alchase on June 07, 2016, 10:24:21 AMkiticaashunter,Where you present when the Bullwinkle Bull was shot?I have provided more details than anyone else on this issue. I have said all I can at this point. I hope the others that continue to ask me questions read this and stop asking for things I can't tell them. There will be a point this whole thing is over and the truth will be proven.You can't say whether you were present or not?
