how to fix WA. OIL draw system

[notsosneaky]

"The system is fine, the system is fair, we can't make it better ".      Read this slow and try to absorb the info.   Ok, it actually can be improved    Have people choose between putting in for deer/elk special permits OR OIL permits, still let them buy ghost points if they choose to!!!  Those guys that just put in for OIL because they can, will most likely just buy points and put in for deer/elk.     so, it can be improved because thousands of apps will drop from the oil draws.  Read it again slowly please......   Now of course this doesn't mean everyone will Draw the tag they want, it will still be tough but it will be better odds.   No brainier guys.......... Now go back and read it again! 

No
I'd rather have a .0013 percent chance against your .003, than have no chance so you can have a .007 chance.

We don't know what the odds would be if you had to choose between putting in for oil or deer/elk.  But I'd be willing to bet half the number of applications drop if not more!  Again, read it slowly and you should start to see how your odds could go way up.

That's just not true.
My odds may go up in a single category but overall it's the same over a lifetime of hunting.
I say increase the tag numbers and go straight lottery no general seasons.
It's fair and it doesn't leave anyone feeling like they have a "better",  "more fair" whatever way. The truth is you want the changes that you percieve will benefit you.

[trophyhunt]

"The system is fine, the system is fair, we can't make it better ".      Read this slow and try to absorb the info.   Ok, it actually can be improved    Have people choose between putting in for deer/elk special permits OR OIL permits, still let them buy ghost points if they choose to!!!  Those guys that just put in for OIL because they can, will most likely just buy points and put in for deer/elk.     so, it can be improved because thousands of apps will drop from the oil draws.  Read it again slowly please......   Now of course this doesn't mean everyone will Draw the tag they want, it will still be tough but it will be better odds.   No brainier guys.......... Now go back and read it again! 

No
I'd rather have a .0013 percent chance against your .003, than have no chance so you can have a .007 chance.

We don't know what the odds would be if you had to choose between putting in for oil or deer/elk.  But I'd be willing to bet half the number of applications drop if not more!  Again, read it slowly and you should start to see how your odds could go way up.

That's just not true.
My odds may go up in a single category but overall it's the same over a lifetime of hunting.
I say increase the tag numbers and go straight lottery no general seasons.
It's fair and it doesn't leave anyone feeling like they have a "better",  "more fair" whatever way. The truth is you want the changes that you percieve will benefit you.

Im not thinking of just my odds, I'm thinking over all odds.  If 13,000 people put in for 49 degrees ( the way it is now) and if 3,000 put in for it ( if you had to choose oil or deer/elk) wouldn't your odds increase quite a bit?

[popeshawnpaul]

I venture I'm more educated on the subject than you are so beat your horse elsewhere. 

You don't know a thing about me, hotshot.  You all keep stroking that horse 

I know you like to post dumb emoticons in replies that are out of context and add nothing to the discussion...

[bearpaw]

Please keep it friendly. 

[boneaddict]

I pretty much favor idahos system, until they go to bonus points.  Which may or may not have happened as I didn't pay to play this year.

[kentrek]

I pretty much favor idahos system, until they go to bonus points.  Which may or may not have happened as I didn't pay to play this year.

 beings the politics need the publics vote hopefully the majority cam make it clear they are not in favor of a bonus point system.

[boneaddict]

I sure shake my head at how many folks think bonus points are good.   

[Matth]

I'm not poking the bear, but those who are in favor of the bonus point system, and view it as some sort of guaranty   are very simply uneducated to the way the system works. It's no fault of there own, they apply every year for extended periods of time and think that they are owed something.

[trophyhunt]

I'm not poking the bear, but those who are in favor of the bonus point system, and view it as some sort of guaranty   are very simply uneducated to the way the system works. It's no fault of there own, they apply every year for extended periods of time and think that they are owed something.

you obviously haven't read this thread. 

[Bob33]

I sure shake my head at how many folks think bonus points are good.   

They increase draw odds, but the odds are still long.

[Curly]

Is that graph talking bonus points or preference points?

[Falcon]

I sure shake my head at how many folks think bonus points are good.   

They increase draw odds, but the odds are still long.

Bob,
That graph makes sense.   Can you please do one for sheep??

[bobcat]

We don't have a preference point system so our points are called bonus points.

[Curly]

So a system like Oregon is preference points and WA is bonus, right?

With bonus points, the guys with few points still have a chance but with preference points the guys behind are going to have a hard time ever catching up.

[Bob33]

I sure shake my head at how many folks think bonus points are good.   

They increase draw odds, but the odds are still long.

Bob,
That graph makes sense.   Can you please do one for sheep??

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2015.php

There were 6 applications with 22 points; 1 drew so it's off the chart.