Single pin sight or multi pin sight

[jrebel]

I currently use a six pin fiber optic sight and have had really good luck with it.  My buddy uses a single pin fiber optic sight that adjust to the according range.  He tells me that it is the way to go.  What do you think???

[WAPITIHUNTER]

Only if you like missing animals because in the heat of the moment you forget to set the yardage.

I spoke to an accomplished archer and hunter at the range one time that was using one of those sights. I asked him if he ever forgets to set the yardage and he let out a sheepish laugh and said yes. It has cost him some trophies but he must like it because everytime I see him he is still using it. If it works for you and you like it then stick with what works for you.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

we had a debate on this before in here.. to me it makes no sense to use one, hunting is all about simplicity in your set up, the less that can go wrong the better...... with fixed pins there is no need to move anything, range or guess the yardage, aim and shoot.. pretty simple if you ask me, you dont have to move the sight, which takes precious time. time that might cost you the animal of a lifetime.. its a no brainer, fixed pins will always be the best bowhunting sight........

[tonymoe]

I used one for a few years. I loved it at first, but man did it cost me some shots If I had a kid that was starting out and I wanted to teach him good shot ethics..that is what I would put on his bow though. I ripped it off my bow 3 years ago when I had a cow at 45 yds, I moved my pin, then she moved to 30 yds, I moved my pin again.. I ended up sticking a different cow that was sitting at the yardage I was set at..I moved that thing 3 times I think.

[bowhuntin]

we had a debate on this before in here.. to me it makes no sense to use one, hunting is all about simplicity in your set up, the less that can go wrong the better...... with fixed pins there is no need to move anything, range or guess the yardage, aim and shoot.. pretty simple if you ask me, you dont have to move the sight, which takes precious time. time that might cost you the animal of a lifetime.. its a no brainer, fixed pins will always be the best bowhunting sight........

Hoyt said it best IMO. Why make things more difficult and having one more thing to remember or to go wrong in a hunting situation. The simpler the better.

[300UltraMagShooter]

I figure ever how you practice is going to be better for each individual.

Me, I use multiple pins when on the ground and a single pin from a treestand.

Works best for me.

[jrebel]

Really appriciate your thoughts.....  But let me pose this question.  With the new bows (I shoot a DXT) and the speed that they shoot, a guy could set his single pin for 30 yards and hit anythging from 0 to 40 by simply holding 2 inches high or 2 inches low?  Anything over 40 you usually have time to move the pin?  And I usually don't shoot much over that anyway. 

Do you agree or not?

[TeacherMan]

I've used both, I personally like the fixed pin sights much better because they are much quicker. I guess if you are in a tree stand and you know what your yardage is going to be the single pin would work good. I do a lot of stalking I never know how close the animal is going to be and they don't hang around long enough for me to get the exact yardage and then adjust the pin.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Really appriciate your thoughts.....  But let me pose this question.  With the new bows (I shoot a DXT) and the speed that they shoot, a guy could set his single pin for 30 yards and hit anythging from 0 to 40 by simply holding 2 inches high or 2 inches low?  Anything over 40 you usually have time to move the pin?  And I usually don't shoot much over that anyway. 

Do you agree or not?    

First off your bow is the best bow matthews makes IMO.. but at 320's IBO its not a screamer and unless you have a huge draw length 30+ and are shooting 70lbs.. your speed will not be crazy fast... certainly not fast enough to hold 2 in high or low and drill a deer, elk maybe.. but why not hold right on? the only time you dont have to with pins if if you gap shoot. say  the animal is 45yrds.. 40 on the back, 50 should be on the brisket.. done deal.. other then that, figure out the yardage and let fly.. from a treestand either sight is great.. most stand shots are under 30yrds.. hell most are under 20 so a fixed pin or movable will work well for you.. but non stand hunting a 5-7 pin will always be the fastest, easiest and most efficient hunting sight

[WAPITIHUNTER]

Really appriciate your thoughts.....  But let me pose this question.  With the new bows (I shoot a DXT) and the speed that they shoot, a guy could set his single pin for 30 yards and hit anythging from 0 to 40 by simply holding 2 inches high or 2 inches low?  Anything over 40 you usually have time to move the pin?  And I usually don't shoot much over that anyway. 

Do you agree or not?

I do not agree. I think a 20 yard pin is absolutley necessary. Back when I was stupid, oddly enough that was not very long ago, I was convinced that because of my blazing speed I could get away with a 40 yard pin as my first pin. That decision never cost me an animal but it did cause me to make some seriously unethical hits on game. I got the animals but the thought of the animal possibly having to die a terrible long drawn out death was to much for me. I will always have a 20 yard pin. ALWAYS. I still shoot blazing speed but I will never go without a 20 yard pin ever again.

[Alan K]

I can't imagine having to move a pin around while I have an animal standing there. . . 

I have a 5 pinner set for 30,40,50,60,70.

[TeacherMan]

Spot Hog seven pin 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 75 yd pins. There isnt much drop between the 20 and 30 but more than enough for me to have a pin there for it. The reason I go 70 to 75 is because I ran out of room  The bottom drops out at the upper ranges. Like 10' between 70 and 80 yds. and I'm shooting a Mathews Switchback, not the newest anymore (2 seasons old) but still a really nice fast bow.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Great sight! but the 7 pin flashpoint ignite is brighter!!    I have 20-80 out of my alphamax at 28 at 70lbs.. shoots my 422 grain arrow at 281..... love it

[Slider]

I've been shooting a Single pin for years!!! I set it for 30 yards. Shoot a little high at 35. If it's 40 or more I range it and move the sight. To many pins will cause you to shoot the wrong pin. Why do you think Cameron Hanes epoxys little yardage stickers on his pins?

[WAPITIHUNTER]

I've been shooting a Single pin for years!!! I set it for 30 yards. Shoot a little high at 35. If it's 40 or more I range it and move the sight. To many pins will cause you to shoot the wrong pin. Why do you think Cameron Hanes epoxys little yardage stickers on his pins?

I have only done that one time while hunting and it cost me a really nice 4x4 blacktail. I was off by three pins so it was just a total *censored*. My arrow hit right by his hoof.

As the venerable Homer would say......DOH!

[Alan K]

I have different colors for different pins, no confusion there.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I have never had that happen, but I could see how it could, putting the yardage next to the pin is just insurance... still much faster then moving anything once the animal is in range.. there is a good reason why 99% of bowhunters that dont treestand hunt use a fixed pin.... simplicity.......baby

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Diff colors work, so does shooting enough that its second nature that with a 5 pin 50 would be the 4th pin.. on my 7 pin all of them are green... still no isues so far.....

[Bearhunter]

The FMP boys from Utah had a good discussion on this not to long ago over on the Bowcast.  They are or have switched to movers for the longer ranges they shot, and for better accuracy.  It seems to risky in crunch time to me, to having to adjust my site.  Just adds another realm of human error to factor in.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I agree I have 80 on my sight.. how far do they want to shoot?

[Bearhunter]

Team FMP boys shoot out to 100yards, and they enjoy the controvercy they get that comes with it.  They are very confident/yet caulky about there kills.  Shawn Monson seems like a cool guy in person though.  Anthony Dixon is the founder.  There videos are bit different than you standard hunting video.

[TeacherMan]

Thats like a muzzle loader 

[WAPITIHUNTER]

Team FMP boys shoot out to 100yards, and they enjoy the controvercy they get that comes with it.  They are very confident/yet caulky about there kills.  Shawn Monson seems like a cool guy in person though.  Anthony Dixon is the founder.  There videos are bit different than you standard hunting video.

Once again there are those that can and those that can't. Usually those that can't complain like hell cause it's unethical etc. etc. etc.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Team FMP boys shoot out to 100yards, and they enjoy the controvercy they get that comes with it.  They are very confident/yet caulky about there kills.  Shawn Monson seems like a cool guy in person though.  Anthony Dixon is the founder.  There videos are bit different than you standard hunting video.

Once again there are those that can and those that can't. Usually those that can't complain like hell cause it's unethical etc. etc. etc.

well said! I have got my share of that from saying I have taken deer at 75 and would shoot a elk at 100 if all was right

[Alan K]

Hell, if you can make the shot, take the shot!

[Slider]

I have never had that happen, but I could see how it could, putting the yardage next to the pin is just insurance... still much faster then moving anything once the animal is in range.. there is a good reason why 99% of bowhunters that don't treestand hunt use a fixed pin.... simplicity.......baby

I use to use 3 pins and then took one out and started using a 25 and a 40. It works pretty well. My partner still uses two. My guess is Camron has shot the wrong pin before epoxying a sticker on his sights works for him. It's an excellent idea. Pryor to using a single pin I have shot the wrong pin shooting 3 d as have most people I know. There is an old saying in the motor cycle world. If you have never been down your on your way.  

[TeacherMan]

If you can come up next year you know I'm going to just show you deer now at 80 to 100yds. 

[WAPITIHUNTER]

Seems most of the time those complaining are shooting at paper plates at 20 and 30 yards putting all their shots on it and patting themselves on the back about how good they shoot and their groups are the size of a flock of geese.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Seems most of the time those complaining are shooting at paper plates at 20 and 30 yards putting all their shots on it and patting themselves on the back about how good they shoot and their groups are the size of a flock of geese.

Your right again, and sadly id say thats most bowhunters.. not all by any means but most... I love the fact I compete and shoot year round.. 700-1000 arrows a week sure makes those shots come hunting season a breeze...

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

If you can come up next year you know I'm going to just show you deer now at 80 to 100yds. 

 

There is no If, I will, and am looking forward to it, just like your steelhead trips! also If 80 is as close as we can get, Ill kill it and you can tape it to show people it can be done 'ethically' and quickly.. But id rather have a 20-50 yrd shot   

[TeacherMan]

You know what will happen it has happend to me before, you will practice all summer out to 70+ yards and be able to hit a bottle cap at that range and you will be in a bind and have one walk within 5 yds of you and you wont know what to do. I remeber me and a buddy where watching an alfalfa field and I watched him empty his quiver on a buck that was directly under his stand. From that point on we made a few shots every day from 5-70 yds. 

For angle shots we would craw up on the roof of my house. I took the ladder from him one day in August and left him up on the black roof outside the Spokane area for about 15 minutes. I thought he was going to kill me 

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

You know what will happen it has happend to me before, you will practice all summer out to 70+ yards and be able to hit a bottle cap at that range and you will be in a bind and have one walk within 5 yds of you and you wont know what to do. I remeber me and a buddy where watching an alfalfa field and I watched him empty his quiver on a buck that was directly under his stand. From that point on we made a few shots every day from 5-70 yds. 

For angle shots we would craw up on the roof of my house. I took the ladder from him one day in August and left him up on the black roof outside the Spokane area for about 15 minutes. I thought he was going to kill me     


Thats to bad for your buddy.. I know that wont happen at any range for me, Ive been lucky enough to take a animal or two and have never had bad buckfever.. shooting comps is harder on the nerves then any animal..... just get me a shot.. Ill do the rest   

[MIKEXRAY]

I have the spot hog 5 pin and set up from 20-60. I definitely wouldn't want to have to dial in when an animal is close. I hunt the east side where shots are longer, I guess one pin would work fine hunting the thick country.  When I'm shooting in my back yard practicing, say at 40 yards. I count my way up the pins to 40 yd pin & then mentally check that its the right color. Every shot, part of my routine.  We have discussed this long shot theory for years, I've said before not my place to tell a dude his max range. But a 100 yard shot has an arrow flight time of 1 second @ 300 fps, and a lot can happen in that one second. One step by the animal & is gut shot, two steps and its in his ass. Seems to risky for me, I would hate to see an elk run off with my arrow in his ass. I've taken 50 yard shots ( 1/2 second flight time ) and seems like it takes along time to hit the animal, funny how when I take the shot its kind of in slow motion. my     Mike

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

There is always a "what if" possibility when shooting anything.... if comes down to the situation, the person behind the weapon and the confidence they have with it..... Ive seen guys take game at 90+ with a bow with ease and have seen some at 30 have them move and hit them bad.. so is 30 now not good as well? its all a diff situation, its our job to make the best call we can or whether to shoot or not.....

[MIKEXRAY]

I agree some thirty yard shots are questionable, but just because some 30 yard shots are taken that are questionable does that means 100 yard questionable shots are ok ?. I'm with you on peoples skill level, different situations ETC. My point of " more can go wrong " with an arrow flying a 100 yards is a point that I don't think anyone can argue. That's all I'm saying, the arrow is flying a long time and there is more of a chance for it to hit a twig, animal to move, etc simply for the fact the arrow is traveling farther with all factors the same over a thirty yard shot. I would not risk it. Mike

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I understand what you are saying, and on a scientific level, yes that 1 sec is longer then the 1/2 sec at 50.. however, if you have never taken a shot that far all you can do is assume what might or might not happen, lets be honest.. 1 sec is not very long, most animals that are feeding undisturbed ( the ony type id ever think of taking a shot that long on) dont exactly move fast.. they stay in one place quiet a while.... with todays bows being as quiet as they are, I dont think in that 1 sec time frame much would happen aside from the arrow going into the animals chest with a well placed arrow..... but who knows.. it could move sure.... personally my farthest is 75 on a  deer, I have seen 105 on a  bull elk.. that one was not feeding, somewhat alert and still did nothing until after the arrow hit him dead center.. I think way to many people underestimate the capability of modern bows in the right archers hands and vastly overestimate the games ability to move..... just my  however I will agree it obviously carries more inherent "risk" then a closer shot

[WAPITIHUNTER]

Another factor I see people overlook alot is the fact that the farther the game is from you the less likely they are to spook from the sound of your bow going off. The animals usually react to the close shots alot more because the sound is inside of the danger zone for the animal. I have heard of guys shooting at feeding blactail bucks from close range and having them jump the string and drop right under the arrow. The farther they are from the sound I believe they are less likley to react to th sound of the shot

Anybody with experience otherwise please relate.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I would agree 100% with that, at 300 ft (100yrds) most newer bows I dot think woud be heard, hell some are hard to hear 20 ft away.. no way that animal is spooking because of the bow going off.. and a by the time the sound is done, the arrow has already found its mark.... Ive seen it done, I know I can do it.... but to each their own. I have no issues with long range with a bow as long as the person behind it has the skills needed to make the shot....

[TeacherMan]

Well I guess I'm opening myself up hear but I have taken a doe at 89yrds with my b tag a couple years ago. BUT, there is always that but, I practice out to 90 all summer long, I don't work in the summer and on average I shoot over an hour a day and some days 3 or 4, 7 days a week. I can put 5 arrows in a pie pan at 90 so why not. I knew I would find her she was on the edge of a clear cut I could see for 1000yds beyond her, as is she only went 30 and layed down and died. Perfect heart lung, arrow sunk up to the fletching!!! She never even saw me or knew what happend. I think a person just needs to know there equipment and be confident in any shot that they make. If you are confident out to 70 great, my buddy shoots a long bow, he wont shoot past 30, good for him. Know your ability, take well placed shots, and practice.

[huntnphool]

I currently use a six pin fiber optic sight and have had really good luck with it.

+1 You know whats nice? When you're drawn at 30 yards and every one of your 6 pins are on the animal thats how it was for me moose hunting and it was a great feeling

[TeacherMan]

I currently use a six pin fiber optic sight and have had really good luck with it.

+1 You know whats nice? When you're drawn at 30 yards and every one of your 6 pins are on the animal thats how it was for me moose hunting and it was a great feeling

[300UltraMagShooter]

I am just waiting til some genius invents an arrow that has afterburners that engage once the arrow is shot.  That way I can shoot one pin out to 300+ yards.   

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Well I guess I'm opening myself up hear but I have taken a doe at 89yrds with my b tag a couple years ago. BUT, there is always that but, I practice out to 90 all summer long, I don't work in the summer and on average I shoot over an hour a day and some days 3 or 4, 7 days a week. I can put 5 arrows in a pie pan at 90 so why not. I knew I would find her she was on the edge of a clear cut I could see for 1000yds beyond her, as is she only went 30 and layed down and died. Perfect heart lung, arrow sunk up to the fletching!!! She never even saw me or knew what happend. I think a person just needs to know there equipment and be confident in any shot that they make. If you are confident out to 70 great, my buddy shoots a long bow, he wont shoot past 30, good for him. Know your ability, take well placed shots, and practice.

Thats awesome, great shot! maybe when I come up we can have a broadhead shoot off? maybe put some cash down? Im always up for some fun, lose, win or tie.. your shot is a great example... burried to the fletch at 90yrds and she did not know what hit her! you practice a ton, so does anyone that will confidently take a shot that far.....