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Re: What a waste
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2016, 04:01:10 PM »
You need to take ALL of the deer when picking it up, after that, proper disposal of what you do not keep.
My 1st one I took to the mountains, gutted there - took home to process - then returned remains to mountains.
2nd one I took home - gutless method - returning remains to mountains

The WAC just says that it must be removed from the right of way

Yes........ BUT, please folks don't be gutting an animal near a road, that is a good way to get folks PO'd and then we will lose this privilege. 

People are already doing it. I took this pic right next to the road just outside of the roads "right-of-way".
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Re: What a waste
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2016, 04:04:11 PM »
I think there's law and theres common sense. Regardless of the laws I'd rather see someone take a bit of meat than leave the whole thing to rot. If it's hit by a car its not like the bloke is poaching deer or anything just grabbing some handy meat to take home.

I'm sure most people here have driven over the speed limit in their time and justify it by being late for something or going "only a little bit over" , that's against the law so how's it any different?

I abide by laws but they've got to stand up against common sense. Would I huff and  puff against someone doing this even if its against the law? Not a chance, if I saw the same bloke illegally shoot it and do the same thing its a  whole other ball game to me.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2016, 04:05:16 PM »
That was 1 of 3 I passed between north of Ellensburg (about 10 miles) and Yakima in 1 day. 2 gutless method and 1 gutted. All just outside the "right-of-way". Legal, but could've dragged or shoved them the extra few feet out of sight. :dunno:
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Re: What a waste
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2016, 04:15:15 PM »
The disposal WAC.


Print WACs > Title 246 > Chapter 246-203 > Section 246-203-121

246-203-100  <<  246-203-121 >>   246-203-130

Agency filings affecting this section
WAC 246-203-121

Disposal of dead animals.

(1) Definitions. For the purpose of this regulation the following definitions apply:
(a) "Burial" means completely covering with soil in a manner and location not requiring a permit for a landfill under chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(b) "Composting" means a process of controlled aerobic decomposition in compliance with chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(c) "Dead animal" means the carcass or tissue from an animal, large or small, except part of an animal used for food or other beneficial purpose in accordance with federal, state, and local laws and regulations. "Dead animal" does not mean a fish or other primarily aquatic animal.
(d) "Incineration" means controlled and monitored combustion for the purposes of volume reduction and pathogen destruction in an enclosed device approved by the department of ecology or the local air pollution control authority under chapter 70.94 RCW, Washington Clean Air Act, and chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(e) "Landfilling" means a process of disposal at a permitted facility where solid waste is permanently placed in or on land in compliance with rules adopted by the department of ecology under chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(f) "Livestock" means horses, mules, donkeys, cattle, bison, sheep, goats, swine, rabbits, llamas, alpacas, ratites, poultry, waterfowl, game birds, or other species according to RCW 16.36.005.
(g) "Natural decomposition" means natural decay on the surface of the ground without cover material.
(h) "Rendering" means heat processing according to requirements under chapter 16.68 RCW, Disposal of dead animals.
(2) Disposal methods.
(a) Within seventy-two hours after death or discovery, the owner of a dead animal or, if the owner of the animal cannot be identified, the owner of the property on which the animal is found must properly dispose of the dead animal. A dead animal must be covered or otherwise removed from public view immediately upon discovery by the person responsible for disposing of the dead animal.
(b) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it in a manner so as not to become a public or common nuisance or cause pollution of surface or groundwater.
(c) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it by burial, landfilling, incineration, composting, rendering, or another method approved by the local health officer (such as natural decomposition) that is not otherwise prohibited by federal, state, or local law or regulation.
(d) A person disposing of a dead animal by burial must place it so that every part is covered by at least three feet of soil; at a location not less than one hundred feet from any well, spring, stream or other surface waters; not in a low-lying area subject to seasonal flooding or within a one hundred-year flood plain; and not in a manner likely to contaminate groundwater.
(e) A person disposing of a dead animal must not bury or compost it within the sanitary control area of a public drinking water supply source as designated under chapter 246-290 WAC, Public water supplies, or chapter 246-291 WAC, Group B public water systems.
(f) The local health officer may specify the method of disposal for a dead animal if:
(i) The animal died with a communicable disease transmissible to humans; or
(ii) The local health officer considers a public health emergency to exist.
(g) The provisions of RCW 16.36.092 and chapter 16-25 WAC supersede the provisions of this regulation for the disposal of a livestock animal that has died because of disease or unknown cause.
[Statutory Authority: RCW 43.20.050(2). WSR 07-14-149, § 246-203-121, filed 7/5/07, effective 8/5/07.]
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I don't see anywhere in here it says you can leave anything besides the road.  :twocents:
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Re: What a waste
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2016, 04:16:29 PM »
That was 1 of 3 I passed between north of Ellensburg (about 10 miles) and Yakima in 1 day. 2 gutless method and 1 gutted. All just outside the "right-of-way". Legal, but could've dragged or shoved them the extra few feet out of sight. :dunno:

Exactly, and if that keeps up we may eventually lose this privilege. Picture a family with little ones driving down the road to get their Christmas tree.....look mommy whats that guy doing with that deer.  :bash:
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Re: What a waste
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2016, 05:57:36 PM »
A dead animal on the side of the road is just as dead if someone takes the meat off it. Still, I'd try and leave the remaining parts in the brush.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2016, 06:10:26 PM »
That was 1 of 3 I passed between north of Ellensburg (about 10 miles) and Yakima in 1 day. 2 gutless method and 1 gutted. All just outside the "right-of-way". Legal, but could've dragged or shoved them the extra few feet out of sight. :dunno:

Exactly, and if that keeps up we may eventually lose this privilege. Picture a family with little ones driving down the road to get their Christmas tree.....look mommy whats that guy doing with that deer.  :bash:


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Re: What a waste
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2016, 10:16:06 PM »
The WAC as it was written has created issues specifically the "The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way" portion.

It was WDFWs intent with this statement that individuals would have to take the entire animal home, plain and simple. However, some see it meaning they can take the meat and simply move the carcass out of the right of way. But if you think about it, you just now placed a rotting animal on someone else's property. I foresee the rule to be changed in the coming years. It's just coming up with good verbiage that will be the hard part.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2016, 11:11:51 PM »
 How do you explain a deer as road kill that has the best parts removed, no obvious major blunt trauma, and decent quality meat left behind. The remaining portions are bloodless and not deformed. Not even a broken leg. Nobody would take the hindquarters if the deer was hit there. Why take the head unless it was intact and worth taking. This is wrong all the way. Even if it was a legal kill leaving intact front quarters is illegal waste of game. I hope this was passed on to the will WDFW. BS all the way.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2016, 02:12:31 AM »


The WAC as it was written has created issues specifically the "The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way" portion.

It was WDFWs intent with this statement that individuals would have to take the entire animal home, plain and simple. However, some see it meaning they can take the meat and simply move the carcass out of the right of way. But if you think about it, you just now placed a rotting animal on someone else's property. I foresee the rule to be changed in the coming years. It's just coming up with good verbiage that will be the hard part.

If the property along the road is private, then yes, the whole animal should be taken away. But if the property along the road is DNR, FS, DOT, etc, then I'd leave the remains there, but move it out of sight if possible. 
If a deer gets whacked on the road it's gonna be laying there for all to see. If someone takes the backstraps and other salvageable meat off it, there's still a dead deer on the side of the road. The guy who takes the meat didn't put the animal there.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2016, 06:10:17 AM »
I assumed the entire animal needed to be removed from the area.  I figured for safety reasons.  A dead carcass along a road, even 20 to 30 feet off the road can be hazard.  Scavengers feeding on it can bolt in front of cars when spooked causing accidents. 

I doubt I'd lose sleep if I hit a yote, but if it helps keep and eagle, hawk, etc. from being hit, then it's worth the extra trouble of getting it removed.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2016, 08:53:06 AM »
A few years back I found a bull elk that was field dressed in that very same manner. It was up in a Roadless area and you could clearly see where the perpetrator(s) had tied their horses some 200 yards from the dead elk. Unfortunately we had seen the individual hauling the meat and horns out on horseback several days earlier so I knew the age of the meat and none seemed salvageable. The area Leo didn't seem all that interested due to lack of evidence and the guy already having left the area.

I mention this just to point out that this type of field dress isn't necessarily related to road kill.

I happened across this video on youtube the other day and whats depicted in the video doesn't look much better as far as meat utilization goes.




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Re: What a waste
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2016, 09:06:04 AM »
Now I am confused.  So we can take it from the roadway and gut it somewhere as long as its not on the roadway? :dunno:

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2016, 11:44:22 AM »
(2) Disposal methods.
(a) Within seventy-two hours after death or discovery, the owner of a dead animal or, if the owner of the animal cannot be identified, the owner of the property on which the animal is found must properly dispose of the dead animal. A dead animal must be covered or otherwise removed from public view immediately upon discovery by the person responsible for disposing of the dead animal.
(b) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it in a manner so as not to become a public or common nuisance or cause pollution of surface or groundwater.
(c) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it by burial, landfilling, incineration, composting, rendering, or another method approved by the local health officer (such as natural decomposition) that is not otherwise prohibited by federal, state, or local law or regulation.

I think a common sense interpretation is that if you claim the roadkill, you become the responsible party for disposal, which at a minimum requires removing the carcass from public view.  Leaving a skinned back or partially boned out carcass in plain view is not ok IMHO.
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: What a waste
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2016, 01:54:13 PM »
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