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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2016, 12:45:19 PM »
I grew up hunting whitetail in Pennsylvania.  There are definitely some major differences in hunting blacktail here on the west side vs. whitetails back east.
First off, the deer density is much lower here.  I live in Snohomish County, and there are plenty of pastures, open fields, and some ag fields around.  Back East, I could drive by similar areas and see whitetails in nearly every field.  Here, it's pretty rare to see any deer at all.  Even in the mountains, and when you do see deer, they are in small groups of one or two does and their fawns.  Back East, it was not unusual to see 20 deer or more in one herd at certain times of the year.  You will see bucks out in the open more when they are in velvet and they try to avoid bumping their tender horns on branches. 

The other thing that leads to this lack of deer sighting is that blacktails are more nocturnal than whitetails.  They really tend wait until after dark to move, even without pressure.  I have a few around the house that are conditioned to people, and move around a lot during the day due to the activity in the area, but the are much more active at night based on my trail cams. 

As far as bucks go, blacktail bucks are very solitary.  They live in a small core area and really only get out of that area when they are pressured or during rut. The core areas will contain lots of rubs in a distinct rub line.  The rubs tend to be on smaller trees than a brute whitetail's rubs.  BTs don't scrape, the rubs seem to serve that territory marking function.  Like WTs, they will roam during the day during rut. 

The best way to find them is to scout in the summer when they are in velvet.  You can find old rub lines and see them in the open clear cuts.  They will rub a little when their velvet dies, but they REALLY rub in pre rut and early rut.  What state are you from Andrew?  Where are you now?
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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2016, 12:50:31 PM »
Yeah, New England doesn't seem to have a lot of deer relative to the mid atlantic states.  Maine has some bruisers, but it's tough hunting and they are few and far between.  Very thick and swampy as well. 

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2016, 12:51:00 PM »
One of Blacktails key to surviving is how sneaky and tricky they are. I have had bucks let me walk within yards of them. Whenever you are around any does, regardless of sign there could be a buck hanging around. Don't let yourself get to negative about not running into any decent bucks, that's how a lot of Blacktail hunting works out. Just stick with it and hunt hard and scout whenever you can, it will happen.
A lot of years, I only see one buck, just be ready, it's likely going to be an up close encounter that will happen fast. I've missed out on a lot of deer just because I let my gaurd down, and wasn't paying attention when 1 did show itself. Be ready at all times and don't get discouraged by not seeing a lot of deer.
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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2016, 01:30:05 PM »
Yeah, New England doesn't seem to have a lot of deer relative to the mid atlantic states.  Maine has some bruisers, but it's tough hunting and they are few and far between.  Very thick and swampy as well.
Yeah, the big advantage about being back home was being in a family that has hunted that area for over a 100 years. So I never had to learn a new area. We also had access to a good portion of land.

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2016, 01:51:14 PM »
Just put in some time in the off season and you will be ready. I considered scouting essential but I also enjoyed being in the Big Bad Buck and Bull Woods immensely. The gate situation is something I'm finding hard to adapt to now. I know some incredible areas that are now gated, like almost everybody else I assume. :dunno:

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2016, 01:53:22 PM »
Just put in some time in the off season and you will be ready. I considered scouting essential but I also enjoyed being in the Big Bad Buck and Bull Woods immensely. The gate situation is something I'm finding hard to adapt to now. I know some incredible areas that are now gated, like almost everybody else I assume. :dunno:

Like the gates; don't like the limited access so much. It has definitely put a crimp on some of my long-time areas.
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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2016, 02:00:25 PM »
Just put in some time in the off season and you will be ready. I considered scouting essential but I also enjoyed being in the Big Bad Buck and Bull Woods immensely. The gate situation is something I'm finding hard to adapt to now. I know some incredible areas that are now gated, like almost everybody else I assume. :dunno:

Like the gates; don't like the limited access so much. It has definitely put a crimp on some of my long-time areas.


I'm not against gates, just frustrating when my hot spot is 20 miles behind them. I did the mountain bike 8 miles behind a gate thing when I was young and healthy, but that sure as hell isn't going to happen. I'm old and whiny now. :yike:

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2016, 02:46:20 PM »
OK And, the best advice I can give you is to forget everything you know about deer and re-learn it the hard way - by spending time in the woods with these hard-to-find critters. Lots and lots of time! I'm serious. Blacktails don't compare to what you know. They are a breed like no other.
And outside of the rut, they taste the best!  :tup:
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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2016, 03:06:27 PM »
Just put in some time in the off season and you will be ready. I considered scouting essential but I also enjoyed being in the Big Bad Buck and Bull Woods immensely. The gate situation is something I'm finding hard to adapt to now. I know some incredible areas that are now gated, like almost everybody else I assume. :dunno:
I love being in the woods so I'll definitely be scouting a lot(when the army doesn't ruin my plans). I plan on even getting back in the woods this winter learning to coyote hunt.

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2016, 03:08:49 PM »
OK And, the best advice I can give you is to forget everything you know about deer and re-learn it the hard way - by spending time in the woods with these hard-to-find critters. Lots and lots of time! I'm serious. Blacktails don't compare to what you know. They are a breed like no other.
And outside of the rut, they taste the best!  :tup:
Yeah east side is tempting because of big racks but I also love a challenge so I'll probably be dedicated to getting a blacktail this next season. I know most things about deer you have to learn in the woods but I also ordered http://imgur.com/a/HMcV8
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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2016, 04:13:24 PM »
Here's the other bible:  https://www.amazon.com/Trophy-Blacktails-Science-Scott-Haugen/dp/098194230X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480119083&sr=8-1&keywords=Scott+Haugen

I'd read them both.

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2016, 05:38:42 PM »
I don't have a link, I basically got it from the author when it was published. This is a great book, the author is an excellent bow hunter, obviously. If you can get in bow range with your rifle you're good to go. It's all seasons, bear, deer and elk. If you can find the book, which I'm sure you can, I would give it a read. Book and Bucks!

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2016, 05:44:28 PM »
One of Blacktails key to surviving is how sneaky and tricky they are. I have had bucks let me walk within yards of them. Whenever you are around any does, regardless of sign there could be a buck hanging around. Don't let yourself get to negative about not running into any decent bucks, that's how a lot of Blacktail hunting works out. Just stick with it and hunt hard and scout whenever you can, it will happen.

I have a theory an big bucks:  I think they come out of wise old does.  I have watched many times when younger does come in with fawns the fawns lead the way in bounding and frolicking.  But a mature old doe so many times has her fawns following and she is sneaky and hyper-alert, just like a wise old buck AND WILL BUST YOU if you are not careful.  Ears come forward towards you and you have been found out  followed by a snort and/or stomp and the fawns skedaddle out of there and she whirls around after them. 

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2016, 05:51:30 PM »
One of Blacktails key to surviving is how sneaky and tricky they are. I have had bucks let me walk within yards of them. Whenever you are around any does, regardless of sign there could be a buck hanging around. Don't let yourself get to negative about not running into any decent bucks, that's how a lot of Blacktail hunting works out. Just stick with it and hunt hard and scout whenever you can, it will happen.

I have a theory an big bucks:  I think they come out of wise old does.  I have watched many times when younger does come in with fawns the fawns lead the way in bounding and frolicking.  But a mature old doe so many times has her fawns following and she is sneaky and hyper-alert, just like a wise old buck AND WILL BUST YOU if you are not careful.  Ears come forward towards you and you have been found out  followed by a snort and/or stomp and the fawns skedaddle out of there and she whirls around after them.

That kind of goes with the old "ditch the head gear at the tree line" theory. We used to wonder how a herd of elk could absolutely dissapear. I think they are tunnelers.

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Re: Quick question about blacktail bucks.
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2016, 06:05:12 PM »
I don't have a link, I basically got it from the author when it was published. This is a great book, the author is an excellent bow hunter, obviously. If you can get in bow range with your rifle you're good to go. It's all seasons, bear, deer and elk. If you can find the book, which I'm sure you can, I would give it a read. Book and Bucks!
I just ordered it off amazon, at the very least ill have something to do on my next 24hr guard duty.

 


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