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Quote from: jackelope on December 13, 2016, 04:19:40 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2016, 04:02:26 PMQuote from: jackelope on December 13, 2016, 02:38:13 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2016, 02:25:07 PMIn a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.Does a 10 year old know to do that?Hopefully people are able to move faster than bullets can fly?? Especially the ones who can't see that someone is about to pull a trigger. I don't like it.No, but the parent who's with the 10 year old does. Whether it's a cop or an armed citizen, an active shooter needs to be stopped before he kills possibly scores more people. Either the cop or the armed citizen may miss and shoot, even possibly kill a bystander. But killing the shooter ASAP will ultimately save way more lives than standing around waiting for everyone to be safe and out of the way. We're not talking about an armed robbery or a car jacking where killing the perpetrator is a judgement call and may be an unnecessary risk to bystanders. We're talking about lots of people being killed if the guy isn't stopped. If someone's sitting right next to him with a firearm, it stops really fast.Not sure if you have kids or had kids, but keeping a 10 year old within immediate range to grab/push/shove/whatever towards a safe location is virtually impossible. I guess I don't trust 90% of the people who might be carrying to be educated and trained as to what the right thing to do is in that scenario. That's not the same as an intruder in your house or a carjacking or some other less populated situation. Everybody has all the training they need when they're talking about it via their keyboard. When the crap hits the fan, not many people actually know what to do. That is a real life fact.Truthfully very few people have any real training to speak of, not that they aren't competent and able to handle a weapon, but actually trained in shoot/no shoot, or multiple gunmen scenarios, very few who aren't law enforcement can say they are trained.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2016, 04:02:26 PMQuote from: jackelope on December 13, 2016, 02:38:13 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2016, 02:25:07 PMIn a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.Does a 10 year old know to do that?Hopefully people are able to move faster than bullets can fly?? Especially the ones who can't see that someone is about to pull a trigger. I don't like it.No, but the parent who's with the 10 year old does. Whether it's a cop or an armed citizen, an active shooter needs to be stopped before he kills possibly scores more people. Either the cop or the armed citizen may miss and shoot, even possibly kill a bystander. But killing the shooter ASAP will ultimately save way more lives than standing around waiting for everyone to be safe and out of the way. We're not talking about an armed robbery or a car jacking where killing the perpetrator is a judgement call and may be an unnecessary risk to bystanders. We're talking about lots of people being killed if the guy isn't stopped. If someone's sitting right next to him with a firearm, it stops really fast.Not sure if you have kids or had kids, but keeping a 10 year old within immediate range to grab/push/shove/whatever towards a safe location is virtually impossible. I guess I don't trust 90% of the people who might be carrying to be educated and trained as to what the right thing to do is in that scenario. That's not the same as an intruder in your house or a carjacking or some other less populated situation. Everybody has all the training they need when they're talking about it via their keyboard. When the crap hits the fan, not many people actually know what to do. That is a real life fact.
Quote from: jackelope on December 13, 2016, 02:38:13 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2016, 02:25:07 PMIn a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.Does a 10 year old know to do that?Hopefully people are able to move faster than bullets can fly?? Especially the ones who can't see that someone is about to pull a trigger. I don't like it.No, but the parent who's with the 10 year old does. Whether it's a cop or an armed citizen, an active shooter needs to be stopped before he kills possibly scores more people. Either the cop or the armed citizen may miss and shoot, even possibly kill a bystander. But killing the shooter ASAP will ultimately save way more lives than standing around waiting for everyone to be safe and out of the way. We're not talking about an armed robbery or a car jacking where killing the perpetrator is a judgement call and may be an unnecessary risk to bystanders. We're talking about lots of people being killed if the guy isn't stopped. If someone's sitting right next to him with a firearm, it stops really fast.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on December 13, 2016, 02:25:07 PMIn a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.Does a 10 year old know to do that?Hopefully people are able to move faster than bullets can fly?? Especially the ones who can't see that someone is about to pull a trigger. I don't like it.
In a crowd active shooter situation, unarmed people tend to lie flat, get behind cover, or run away from the shooter. In the video's I've watched, clear lanes of fire open rather quickly.
Amazing the Master Jedi marksmanship one apparently obtains when a badge gets pinned on. Last I read the DOJ statistics the average LEO only hits his target 20% of the time. Give me an armed Joe the Plumber in the bleachers any day.
Quote from: Macs B on December 13, 2016, 12:55:42 PMPretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium? What is the justification for possessing a firearm. Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this? Have you ever walked a mile or more in downtown Seattle on a dark night, to and from your parking spot, to attend an event at CenturyLink?
Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium? What is the justification for possessing a firearm. Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this?
Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium? What is the justification for possessing a firearm. Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this? Have you ever not attended a ball game because you couldn't carry inside? Its pretty true to say that large events like this are extremely well policed and adding firearm carriers to the mix brings no added benefit. But like a said, lots of gun guys are going to be thrilled.
Quote from: Bean Counter on December 13, 2016, 04:51:55 PMAmazing the Master Jedi marksmanship one apparently obtains when a badge gets pinned on. Last I read the DOJ statistics the average LEO only hits his target 20% of the time. Give me an armed Joe the Plumber in the bleachers any day. Because the armed Joe the Plumber has that much more training or is better than 20% average? Doubt it. I just don't believe that someone who has likely never fired a gun in a high stress situation in an environment like that will do any better. Not saying a police officer will either...just saying..some training is better than no training. Some experience is better than no experience.
Gun Free type of zones are a wonderful idea and safe for the general public...
Quote from: CAMPMEAT on December 13, 2016, 05:51:34 PMGun Free type of zones are a wonderful idea and safe for the general public... And as our society becomes more enlightened and civilized we are even safer....
