WDFW Funding Clean Up of Homeless Camps

[Oh Mah]

@Oh Mah
Though you may think you are being conservative, your values are based in a very liberal ideology. Your lack of compassion for others, your indesire to be hands on in volunteering, your dependence on the government to fix the issue for you.

I will ask you again because you said "Show me one decent homeless person", will you like to meet some? I would be happy to introduce you to them.

I volunteer all the time,Can't you read?

[Oh Mah]

Although this started ok i feel that i am speaking to 2 very liberal individuals,That being said    last one stands for bye.

[bigtex]

You can't just go live in one of those places if you are disabled, you have to be able to pay for it. Anyone could become homeless with the wrong circumstances. I hope it doesn't happen to you Oh Mah, but I think you would learn something if it did. Would you like to meet some of these people?

BTW, I get a kick out of your signature, "Boss of the woods" What a complete joke.

I GUESS YOU DONT KNOW WHAT OH MAH IS!

You don't have to put everything in capital letters to try and make your point 

sometimes it gets stuck on and im not gonna go back and retype the whole thing just to appease the the grammar police.Take me serious or not i don't care,You don't want to take off the blinders that's on you.BigTex I respect what your saying but quit with the excuses for the WDFW they could help in some ways.Why are the people allowed there to begin with while breaking rules they should be removed before the mess gets carried away Thats why we have the PUBLIC CONDUCT RULES FOR THE W>D>F>W isn't it?.There is no rational excuse for any of it.me going off in other tangents well just so you know because i feel it escapes you,They are all connected.TO LIBERAL ways of thinking.

Yes there are public conduct rules for WDFW lands but for most of them, including the residency/camping rules, they are infractions so you cant arrest them for the violation, all you can do is write a ticket. So what do you do? Write them a ticket everyday which they probably wont pay and there's no ramification for that?

If you didn't know, I am in law enforcement so this is the stuff I deal with day in and day out. We can't arrest for infractions, heck we realistically cant arrest for many crimes anymore because jails are full and if we did they'd be released before I even pulled out of the sallyport.

sorry but according to RCW 77.15.230 any and all violations of any signs is in fact a misdemeanor.I take that as littering in these areas and any illegal drug use should fall under this.

No.

WDFW land use regs fall under WAC 232-13. If you look under the penalty section for WAC 232-13 "Unless otherwise provided, violation of any of the provisions of this chapter constitutes an infraction, pursuant to RCW 77.15.020 and 77.15.160."

The only time a WDFW land use reg is charged under 77.15.230 is when it is "otherwise provided" such as in WAC 232-13-050 "(2)(a) It is unlawful to possess or dispense beer or malt liquor in quantities subject to keg registration laws under RCW 66.28.210, on department lands, without a permit from the director. Violating this subsection is a misdemeanor, pursuant to RCW 77.15.230."

WDFW doesn't have their own WACs for drug use or littering, they rely on existing state statutes which apply statewide.

If you don't believe me, call WDFW Enforcement tomorrow morning...

[olyguy79]

You can't just go live in one of those places if you are disabled, you have to be able to pay for it. Anyone could become homeless with the wrong circumstances. I hope it doesn't happen to you Oh Mah, but I think you would learn something if it did. Would you like to meet some of these people?

BTW, I get a kick out of your signature, "Boss of the woods" What a complete joke.

I GUESS YOU DONT KNOW WHAT OH MAH IS!

You don't have to put everything in capital letters to try and make your point 

sometimes it gets stuck on and im not gonna go back and retype the whole thing just to appease the the grammar police.Take me serious or not i don't care,You don't want to take off the blinders that's on you.BigTex I respect what your saying but quit with the excuses for the WDFW they could help in some ways.Why are the people allowed there to begin with while breaking rules they should be removed before the mess gets carried away Thats why we have the PUBLIC CONDUCT RULES FOR THE W>D>F>W isn't it?.There is no rational excuse for any of it.me going off in other tangents well just so you know because i feel it escapes you,They are all connected.TO LIBERAL ways of thinking.

Yes there are public conduct rules for WDFW lands but for most of them, including the residency/camping rules, they are infractions so you cant arrest them for the violation, all you can do is write a ticket. So what do you do? Write them a ticket everyday which they probably wont pay and there's no ramification for that?

If you didn't know, I am in law enforcement so this is the stuff I deal with day in and day out. We can't arrest for infractions, heck we realistically cant arrest for many crimes anymore because jails are full and if we did they'd be released before I even pulled out of the sallyport.

sorry but according to RCW 77.15.230 any and all violations of any signs is in fact a misdemeanor.I take that as littering in these areas and any illegal drug use should fall under this.

No.

WDFW land use regs fall under WAC 232-13. If you look under the penalty section for WAC 232-13 "Unless otherwise provided, violation of any of the provisions of this chapter constitutes an infraction, pursuant to RCW 77.15.020 and 77.15.160."

The only time a WDFW land use reg is charged under 77.15.230 is when it is "otherwise provided" such as in WAC 232-13-050 "(2)(a) It is unlawful to possess or dispense beer or malt liquor in quantities subject to keg registration laws under RCW 66.28.210, on department lands, without a permit from the director. Violating this subsection is a misdemeanor, pursuant to RCW 77.15.230."

WDFW doesn't have their own WACs for drug use or littering, they rely on existing state statutes which apply statewide.

If you don't believe me, call WDFW Enforcement tomorrow morning...

Bigtex is correct!

The majority of WDFW public conduct regulations enacted by the Commission are infractions, some more severe offenses are misdemeanors under 77.15.230 but the overwhelming majority are infractions enforced under 77.15.160


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[Oh Mah]

Sorry wrong RCW. WAC 232-13-050 it is unlawful to use dept. land in a manner or for a purpose contrary to signs or notices posted on those lands,waters or access areas.Violating this subsection is a misdemeanor Pursuant to Rcw 77.15.230


I see no littering signs in these areas all the time,right when you enter.

[bigtex]

Sorry wrong RCW. WAC 232-13-050 it is unlawful to use dept. land in a manner or for a purpose contrary to signs or notices posted on those lands,waters or access areas.Violating this subsection is a misdemeanor Pursuant to Rcw 77.15.230


I see no littering signs in these areas all the time,right when you enter.

And when the prosecutor looks and sees that they can just dispose of the offense as an infraction what will the officer say?

This is word-for-word the Snohomish County Prosecutor's Office policy for fish and wildlife violations "If a criminal referral is made, the Prosecutor's Office will review the referral, and should it be determined that a related infraction is an option, the case will be declined back to DFW for DFW to file an infraction" Other counties have similar policies.

So in your case WDFW sends a criminal referral to the prosecutor for violating signs, prosecutor declines and says write the infraction.

Just because the RCW or WAC says an offense is a criminal offense means a prosecutor will take it. It's a misdemeanor to use a rake on a huckleberry bush, think a prosecutor will file criminal charges on that? How about not having the emergency cut-off switch on your wrist on a jetski?

[olyguy79]

Sorry wrong RCW. WAC 232-13-050 it is unlawful to use dept. land in a manner or for a purpose contrary to signs or notices posted on those lands,waters or access areas.Violating this subsection is a misdemeanor Pursuant to Rcw 77.15.230


I see no littering signs in these areas all the time,right when you enter.

And when the prosecutor looks and sees that they can just dispose of the offense as an infraction what will the officer say?

This is word-for-word the Snohomish County Prosecutor's Office policy for fish and wildlife violations "If a criminal referral is made, the Prosecutor's Office will review the referral, and should it be determined that a related infraction is an option, the case will be declined back to DFW for DFW to file an infraction" Other counties have similar policies.

So in your case WDFW sends a criminal referral to the prosecutor for violating signs, prosecutor declines and says write the infraction.

Just because the RCW or WAC says an offense is a criminal offense means a prosecutor will take it. It's a misdemeanor to use a rake on a huckleberry bush, think a prosecutor will file criminal charges on that? How about not having the emergency cut-off switch on your wrist on a jetski?

There's what the statute says and what the real world is. Statute says WDFW could file criminal charges for disobeying signs. Real world is if you ever tried that for 99% of the cases you'd be getting an angry phone call from the prosecutor. God forbid you actually arrest the guy and book him.


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[Oh Mah]

That's  fine but they can be arrested booked then bring that up in court.At least they got in trouble to begin with for breaking the law.I am simply saying that they can do something they should not be out in the field guessing what the judge is or is not gonna do or what the prosecutor may or may not do at a given time.Arrest them according to the law then let the chips fall where they may.It is a misdemeanor,Or do you still disagree?Who cares if it upsets the prosecuting att. They work for us too you know.

[EmeraldBullet]

Oh Mah being liberal again, trying to waste more tax payer money by trying to prosecute crimes that would never make it to court.

[Oh Mah]

  WOW

[bigtex]

That's  fine but they can be arrested booked then bring that up in court.At least they got in trouble to begin with for breaking the law.I am simply saying that they can do something they should not be out in the field guessing what the judge is or is not gonna do or what the prosecutor may or may not do at a given time.Arrest them according to the law then let the chips fall where they may.It is a misdemeanor,Or do you still disagree?

Disagree because it is still the officers a** on the line. Theoretically yes you can book the guy and he'll be released in about 10 minutes after his picture is taken. But it would essentially ruin your name with the prosecutors office because you will be known as the guy who booked the guy on the petty criminal offense.

Should it be this way? Of course not! But that's the world we live in, and it's not just in WA. Officers really have to think like prosecutors now and have a better relationship with prosecutors more so now then ever. You don't want to piss of the prosecutor who could be the one you are trying to convince to take your big game poaching case two months later.

[EmeraldBullet]

Oh Mah, you ever consider running for office? They would love you in Seattle.

[olyguy79]

Who cares if it upsets the prosecuting att. They work for us too you know.

That statement right there shows how little you know about the justice system. The LAST thing you want to do as a LEO is go against your prosecutor, if you do that you might as well transfer to a different county or turn in your badge.


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[Oh Mah]

I guess this is why our prosecuting att. got the dui then got off on it.Kept his job too.

[Oh Mah]

I guess this mentality is why UCWARDEN had so much trouble.UCWARDEN must be 1 in a million in the dept.Will do his job no matter what others think.