WDFW Funding Clean Up of Homeless Camps

[bigtex]

Until "WE" stop buying into their BS they will continue to lie and do shady crap behind our backs.   


Bout done in Wa!  Way better places to hunt.

How is this shady? Who do you think pays for garbage service on WDFW lands? Pays for the spent shell casings left on WDFW lands to be picked up  after people target shoot? It's WDFW. There's the whole WDFW lands program funded in part by the Discover Pass which helps fund garbage removal.

who do we think is paying/well make the litterer pay.you know in jail or community service like it used to be.I say used to be because courts don't do it any more,It was said to be unfair treatment.So back to the liberals.make the groups that support this way of life pay for it.as soon as they made welfare give a better less noticeable card for the recipients i new it was gonna get real bad.

WA has some of the toughest littering laws in the US. WA's littering law penalties are as follows:

Under a foot its a class 3 infraction with a $103 fine
Litter "potentially dangerous litter" such as glass, lit cigarettes, nails, etc. it's a class 1 civil infraction with a $1,025 fine
Litter over a foot your looking at a misdemeanor, up to a $1,000 fine and 90 days in jail, plus cleanup costs.
Over a cubic yard your looking at a gross misdemeanor up to a $5,000 fine and a year in jail, plus cleanup costs.

The two infractions are 'tickets' the other two are crimes, and that is where the problem is. In order to prosecute a criminal offense in WA you must have a mandatory court appearance and the prosecutor must actually prosecute the case. The prosecutor who would handle your misdemeanor littering case also would handle the DUI, domestic assault, and petty theft case. Out of those do you think they'll pick the criminal littering charge as the one to prosecute? Of course not. This is the same reason why fish and wildlife criminal offenses are not being filed by the prosecutor.

Quite simply there is just too few prosecutors working in our county prosecutor's office. When everyone talks about funding law enforcement to "get though on crime" they fund the cops but not the prosecutors. I'd take a funding increase for prosecutors over a funding increase for officers almost any day, because without a prosecutor your almost worthless as an officer.

[Bofire]

excellent post BigTex!!!
Carl

[Lincoln4]

Until "WE" stop buying into their BS they will continue to lie and do shady crap behind our backs.   


Bout done in Wa!  Way better places to hunt.

How is this shady? Who do you think pays for garbage service on WDFW lands? Pays for the spent shell casings left on WDFW lands to be picked up  after people target shoot? It's WDFW. There's the whole WDFW lands program funded in part by the Discover Pass which helps fund garbage removal.

who do we think is paying/well make the litterer pay.you know in jail or community service like it used to be.I say used to be because courts don't do it any more,It was said to be unfair treatment.So back to the liberals.make the groups that support this way of life pay for it.as soon as they made welfare give a better less noticeable card for the recipients i new it was gonna get real bad.

WA has some of the toughest littering laws in the US. WA's littering law penalties are as follows:

Under a foot its a class 3 infraction with a $103 fine
Litter "potentially dangerous litter" such as glass, lit cigarettes, nails, etc. it's a class 1 civil infraction with a $1,025 fine
Litter over a foot your looking at a misdemeanor, up to a $1,000 fine and 90 days in jail, plus cleanup costs.
Over a cubic yard your looking at a gross misdemeanor up to a $5,000 fine and a year in jail, plus cleanup costs.

The two infractions are 'tickets' the other two are crimes, and that is where the problem is. In order to prosecute a criminal offense in WA you must have a mandatory court appearance and the prosecutor must actually prosecute the case. The prosecutor who would handle your misdemeanor littering case also would handle the DUI, domestic assault, and petty theft case. Out of those do you think they'll pick the criminal littering charge as the one to prosecute? Of course not. This is the same reason why fish and wildlife criminal offenses are not being filed by the prosecutor.

Quite simply there is just too few prosecutors working in our county prosecutor's office. When everyone talks about funding law enforcement to "get though on crime" they fund the cops but not the prosecutors. I'd take a funding increase for prosecutors over a funding increase for officers almost any day, because without a prosecutor your almost worthless as an officer.

Prosecutors and Corrections...

[Special T]

You can't get bums to pay fines. They don't have licences to take nor cash.  Only working folks can be made to heal. Those with nothing to lose have no fear of the system because the system isn't interested in making them comply.

[hunter399]

Chain gang them in the park till it's clean,little community service not gonna hurt

[Oh Mah]

Chain gang them in the park till it's clean,little community service not gonna hurt

yep,like it used to be before the libs took over and started to think they don't have anything to talke so let them do whatever.There is always a way to make them pay,as long as you don't have to give them the comforts.

[bigtex]

Chain gang them in the park till it's clean,little community service not gonna hurt

yep,like it used to be before the libs took over and started to think they don't have anything to talke so let them do whatever.There is always a way to make them pay,as long as you don't have to give them the comforts.

That still requires a prosecutor to take the case. The issue here isn't the penalty, it's the lack of prosecutors in WA.

[Romeo 2-6]

Until "WE" stop buying into their BS they will continue to lie and do shady crap behind our backs.   


Bout done in Wa!  Way better places to hunt.

How is this shady? Who do you think pays for garbage service on WDFW lands? Pays for the spent shell casings left on WDFW lands to be picked up  after people target shoot? It's WDFW. There's the whole WDFW lands program funded in part by the Discover Pass which helps fund garbage removal.

who do we think is paying/well make the litterer pay.you know in jail or community service like it used to be.I say used to be because courts don't do it any more,It was said to be unfair treatment.So back to the liberals.make the groups that support this way of life pay for it.as soon as they made welfare give a better less noticeable card for the recipients i new it was gonna get real bad.

WA has some of the toughest littering laws in the US. WA's littering law penalties are as follows:

Under a foot its a class 3 infraction with a $103 fine
Litter "potentially dangerous litter" such as glass, lit cigarettes, nails, etc. it's a class 1 civil infraction with a $1,025 fine
Litter over a foot your looking at a misdemeanor, up to a $1,000 fine and 90 days in jail, plus cleanup costs.
Over a cubic yard your looking at a gross misdemeanor up to a $5,000 fine and a year in jail, plus cleanup costs.

The two infractions are 'tickets' the other two are crimes, and that is where the problem is. In order to prosecute a criminal offense in WA you must have a mandatory court appearance and the prosecutor must actually prosecute the case. The prosecutor who would handle your misdemeanor littering case also would handle the DUI, domestic assault, and petty theft case. Out of those do you think they'll pick the criminal littering charge as the one to prosecute? Of course not. This is the same reason why fish and wildlife criminal offenses are not being filed by the prosecutor.

Quite simply there is just too few prosecutors working in our county prosecutor's office. When everyone talks about funding law enforcement to "get though on crime" they fund the cops but not the prosecutors. I'd take a funding increase for prosecutors over a funding increase for officers almost any day, because without a prosecutor your almost worthless as an officer.

Great point.


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[quarterstaff]

So what happened to anti littering laws? You know the signs that say litter and it will hurt.

What about them?

sounds like a much worse case of littering than throwing a starbucks cup out of your prius.

[boneaddict]

Good post Bigtex.   Frustrating!

[fireweed]

Wonder why the homeless weren't kicked off for trespassing earlier.  I'm sure they didn't have a Discover Pass either.

WDFW lands on the west side seem to be posted no camping and even no overnight parking.  I stopped one night at a WDFW land that I've stayed at before with my camper to go fishing early the next morning.  The land was now prolifically posted no camping and no overnight parking by WDFW.   This is despite the fact that WDFW land and water access sites are supposed to allow limited camping with a Discover Pass.  I had to leave at nearly midnight to find some state land.  So it appears the WDFW is keeping legal and licenses hunters/anglers and Discover Pass holders from camping as legally allowed to do, and letting others "live" on the land for extended periods of time, all the while breaking numerous laws.

Basackwards

[Special T]

Wonder why the homeless weren't kicked off for trespassing earlier.  I'm sure they didn't have a Discover Pass either.

WDFW lands on the west side seem to be posted no camping and even no overnight parking.  I stopped one night at a WDFW land that I've stayed at before with my camper to go fishing early the next morning.  The land was now prolifically posted no camping and no overnight parking by WDFW.   This is despite the fact that WDFW land and water access sites are supposed to allow limited camping with a Discover Pass.  I had to leave at nearly midnight to find some state land.  So it appears the WDFW is keeping legal and licenses hunters/anglers and Discover Pass holders from camping as legally allowed to do, and letting others "live" on the land for extended periods of time, all the while breaking numerous laws.

Basackwards

You have something to loose if you don't follow the rules. There is no way to enforce rules against homeless that will have an effect.  More prosecutors won't solve the problem. You either fine people or jail them to change behavior. Bums have no $to take, and it costs too much to jail them. We either need to put these people in institutions or Institute some kind of corporal punishment system. I favor good old fashioned Canning like the people in Singapore use.

[pianoman9701]

Until "WE" stop buying into their BS they will continue to lie and do shady crap behind our backs.   


Bout done in Wa!  Way better places to hunt.

If you owned land and a homeless camp needed to be removed from it, who do you think would be responsible for the bill?

[bigtex]

WDFW lands on the west side seem to be posted no camping and even no overnight parking.  I stopped one night at a WDFW land that I've stayed at before with my camper to go fishing early the next morning.  The land was now prolifically posted no camping and no overnight parking by WDFW.   This is despite the fact that WDFW land and water access sites are supposed to allow limited camping with a Discover Pass.  I had to leave at nearly midnight to find some state land.  So it appears the WDFW is keeping legal and licenses hunters/anglers and Discover Pass holders from camping as legally allowed to do, and letting others "live" on the land for extended periods of time, all the while breaking numerous laws.

The Discover Pass laws have nothing to do with camping on WDFW land. In fact, the only time the word camping is listed in the Discover Pass law is when it has to do with State Parks. If you have a camping permit for a State Park you don't need it a DP for that park, as soon as you hit DNR or WDFW land you need the pass.

Camping on WDFW lands is regulated by WAC 232-13-060 & 232-13-150 which basically says you can camp on WDFW land unless the agency closes the area to camping, you can only camp for 21 days, and you can't establish or occupy a "residence camp"

[Oh Mah]

Chain gang them in the park till it's clean,little community service not gonna hurt

yep,like it used to be before the libs took over and started to think they don't have anything to talke so let them do whatever.There is always a way to make them pay,as long as you don't have to give them the comforts.

That still requires a prosecutor to take the case. The issue here isn't the penalty, it's the lack of prosecutors in WA.

I disagree,Its not a lack of anything but the will to do it against the liberals of this state.If i went out and littered and i refused to pay the fine as you put it,The state would have no problem with getting a prosecutor to prosecute me. PERIOD.