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And it begins....  :bash:

House GOP rules change will make it easier to sell off federal lands
By Juliet Eilperin
January 3 at 5:41 PM

House Republicans on Tuesday changed the way Congress calculates the cost of transferring federal lands to the states and other entities, a move that will make it easier for members of the new Congress to cede federal control of public lands.

The provision, included as part as a larger rules package the House approved by a vote of 233 to 190 during its first day in session, highlights the extent to which some congressional Republicans hope to change longstanding rules now that the GOP will control the executive and the legislative branches starting Jan. 20.

Many Republicans, including House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rob Bishop (R-Utah), have been pushing to hand over large areas of federal land to state and local authorities, on the grounds that they will be more responsive to the concerns of local residents.

House Natural Resources Committee spokeswoman Molly Block said in a statement that “in many cases federal lands create a significant burden for the surrounding communities,” because they cannot be taxed and can be “in disrepair.”

“Allowing communities to actually manage and use these lands will generate not only state and local income tax, but also federal income tax revenues” she added, as well as reduce the need for some federally-supported payments. “Unfortunately, current budget practices do not fully recognize these benefits, making it very difficult for non-controversial land transfers between governmental entities for public use and other reasons to happen.”

But many Democrats argue that these lands should be managed on behalf of all Americans, not just those living nearby, and warn that cash-strapped state and local officials might sell these parcels to developers.

Under current Congressional Budget Office accounting rules, any transfer of federal land that generates revenue for the U.S. Treasury — whether through energy extraction, logging, grazing or other activities — has a cost. If lawmakers wanted to give such land to a state, local government or tribe, they would have to account for that loss in expected cash flow.

Bishop authored language in the new rules package that would overturn that requirment, saying any such transfers “shall not be considered as providing new budget authority, decreasing revenues, increasing mandatory spending, or increasing outlays.”

Rep. Raul Grijalva (Ariz.), the top Democrat on the Natural Resources Committee, sent a letter Tuesday to fellow Democrats urging them to oppose the rules package on the basis of that proposal.

“The House Republican plan to give away America’s public lands for free is outrageous and absurd,” Grijalva said in a statement. “This proposed rule change would make it easier to implement this plan by allowing the Congress to give away every single piece of property we own, for free, and pretend we have lost nothing of any value. Not only is this fiscally irresponsible, but it is also a flagrant attack on places and resources valued and beloved by the American people.”

Environmental groups were quick to criticize the move.

Alan Rowsome, senior government relations director for The Wilderness Society, said in a statement, “Right out of the gate, Congressional Republicans are declaring open season on federal lands… This is not Theodore Roosevelt-style governing, this move paves the way for a wholesale giveaway of our American hunting, fishing and camping lands that belong to us all.”

The immediate impact of the rules change is that lawmakers cannot raise a budgetary point of order if a land transfer bill comes to the floor. Under existing House rules, any measure that costs the U.S. Treasury money must be offset by either budget cuts or a revenue-raising provision.

While the official GOP platform endorses the idea of transferring federal land to the states, neither President-elect Donald Trump nor Rep. Ryan Zinke (R-Mont.), his pick to head the Interior Department, embrace that approach. Zinke quit his post as a GOP convention delegate this past summer over the issue, and Trump expressed opposition to the concept a year ago in an interview with Field & Stream magazine.

“I mean, are they going to sell if they get into a little bit of trouble?” he said at the time. “And I don’t think it’s something that should be sold. We have to be great stewards of this land. This is magnificent land.”

The overall rules package became ensnared in a controversy over a different provision, which would have eliminated an independent congressional ethics office. But once that part of the package was removed, the measure passed on a largely party-line vote.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/01/03/house-gop-rules-change-would-make-it-easier-to-sell-off-federal-land/?utm_term=.91681bc18974

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Lifelong republican but I hate my party's view on this!


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But many Democrats argue that these lands should be managed on behalf of all Americans, not just those living nearby, and warn that cash-strapped state and local officials might sell these parcels to developers.
I don't think making everything into a park for environmentalists is management for all Americans.  Nor is full extraction.

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I bet they are trying to push this through before Trump sanity is in charge.
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I can only argue that state laws are to blame for locked up land. Seriously, I feel like I beat a dead horse when I bring up my home state, but North Dakota (which is 88% privately owned) has ten times the amount land to hunt then this state. It's an absolute shame. It's one of the reasons I'm moving back in June. Federal land ownership is a democratic view and policy. How can you blame the Republican Party for following our constitution views? If the state could work out a good land access policy of private lands, I'm sure you would alll change your views.
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I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, there were several closed campgrounds in the GPNF this year because the feds couldn't staff or maintain them. That sucks. Is it possible they'd be open if put under the umbrella of the Discover Pass and state parks? On the other hand, our legislature has an unholy relationship with big landowners and I could see much of this land being sold to then through backroom deals, limiting even further public access to good hunting land. I'd like to see the language in these rules. Does anyone have the entire addendum?
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I have not read the proposal's exact language, but I think the main change was to remove the requirement related to land valuation.

I agree with you that the FEDs could allocate more resources to these lands, and thereby make these lands more 'usable' and user friendly.  But I am not sure that reason justifies transferring the land to the States who, presumably, have even fewer resources to allocate to these lands. 

So if the problem is allocating resources, then I think the question is which branch of .gov has more resources to allocate.

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And it begins.... 

 :whoo:  :rockin:

You're cheering because we're one step closer to the sell off of public lands?
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I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, there were several closed campgrounds in the GPNF this year because the feds couldn't staff or maintain them. That sucks. Is it possible they'd be open if put under the umbrella of the Discover Pass and state parks? On the other hand, our legislature has an unholy relationship with big landowners and I could see much of this land being sold to then through backroom deals, limiting even further public access to good hunting land. I'd like to see the language in these rules. Does anyone have the entire addendum?

Ask Central Ferry State Park in SE WA how that worked out for them. It's closed.
(there are others too)

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How about DNR gets the land and we actually log the timber? That will free up some funds.
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The concern is state land being sold to private ownership. 
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Why isn't that a concern for DNR land currently?
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Why isn't that a concern for DNR land currently?

I agree with the concern.  I assume the concern is based upon the State's lack of funds to maintain/enhance the lands.

I can't cite specifics, but I have heard of examples where FED lands in other western States were transferred to State ownership, and the State eventually sold the lands (or is in the process of selling) to private interests because the State cannot support the lands.  I am researching this issue further.  This issue is just another way to tollbooth the economy.

This is the outcome organizations like BHA are trying to prevent.

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1st Day of New Congress GOP Votes to Make it Easier to Sell off Federal Land
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2017, 07:39:29 PM »
Why isn't that a concern for DNR land currently?

Refer to Chief Timothy (used to be state) park on the Snake in Clarkston. Refer to Central Ferry (used to be state) park also on the Snake. It is a concern. They can't afford them so they shut them down and sell them(chief Timothy)or block off access if they can't sell them(central Ferry). Just a couple quick examples of what could happen to state land.
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