7mm Rem mag vs .300 win mag

[JJB11B]

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[JJB11B]

IF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater.   If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mm
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.

That depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.

That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration

Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal

Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision

he did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventually

"Long range" is all relative but I wouldn't worry bout a 300 grain cannon till I was shooting/hunting past 1300 yards....it will take him a lot of shooting before growing out of a 7 rem mag or 338 win mag

Just my thoughts, can't go wrong with anything really...except an AR.....just don't go there....

They do make a .300 win AR. I think NEMO makes it

[Bofire]

of the rifles you mention 7mm rem mag and 300 wm. I carried and shot a 7mm rem mag for 25 years, loved it, thought it was great. started reloading and using a chrono. I could never get a load from factory or handloads reach the numbers published by companies or reload suppliers for the 7mm. Loads listed for 3000fps commonly shot at 2800. Based on my experience and chrono I do not believe the published numbers for 7mm. That does not mean a custom gun /load might reach it, but mine did not come close. I killed several elk, deer, bear, moose and coyote with that rifle.
I switched to 300WM. it did not match the numbers either but it came close. The other thing, totally opinion, I think the 300 puts em down quicker and harder. Killed deer bear, elk, moose etc with it.
As for recoil that has more to do with gun design than cartridge. My current 300 is very soft shooting. As one post mentioned the 280 is a fine cartridge, very close to the 7mag, very soft shooting.
Get a rifle that comes up quick, feels right and kills.
Carl

[kentrek]

IF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater.   If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mm
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.

That depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.

That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration

Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal

Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision

he did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventually

"Long range" is all relative but I wouldn't worry bout a 300 grain cannon till I was shooting/hunting past 1300 yards....it will take him a lot of shooting before growing out of a 7 rem mag or 338 win mag

Just my thoughts, can't go wrong with anything really...except an AR.....just don't go there....

im right there with ya on the big 338 but I personally can't see going up from the 300 win with the heavy bullets available for it. A 300 win with 215 bergers is very impressive ballistically. 

Yup it definitely is, the only difference is preference and theory of the diameter & killing power.....I bigger diameter bullet "will" deliver more energy into a target than a skinny one....it's also believed the bigger diameter bullets can deliver hydrostatic shock at much lower velocities

So that's really what it comes down to and it's all very much theory...I need to kill way more to get a better opinion I know that

A 215 berger out of a 300 is an excellent long range choice but is it the "best" choice for 50 yards ?? Or would the 338 with a 250 grain more heavy built bullet have the edge?

From my experience....

it seems at close range the bergers disintegration affect doesn't quite transfer the ft pounds onto the animal like it does on paper...once that bullet slows down tho watch out....the things are wicked

[Mtnwalker]

  shot my last 2 elk with 168gr vld's, one at 735 yards dropped like a sack of potatoes, right behind the shoulder bullet performed flawlessly. The other at 75 yards almost same exact spot penciled thru both lungs and left a tiny exit hole, elk took off like I missed. Luckily I got another one in the neck on the run. I'm done with Bergers

[Jonathan_S]

Yeah Bergers suck. Send them to me and I'll properly dispose of them.

A long action rifle that will be taking 500+ Yard shots with any consistency is like begging for a 300wm. In my experience, recoil would not be a factor in deciding between those two.

[MichaelD]

You are welcome to run up this way toward Prosser and put some rounds down range with both the 7mm and .300 if you want. My 7mm is in Remington and is currently scoped and the .300 tikka is unscoped, but you could get a feel for both. PM if interested and we can meet up. Michael


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[jackelope]

Based on the amount of 300 wm you see for sale on here. I would go with the 7mm.
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.

I'd be curious to know how much difference there really is. I've shot a 7mm Rem Mag that kicked like a damn mule. I can watch bullets break clay targets through the scope with my .300wm. 2 very different rifles though. If you took 2 of the same rifles and shot the 2 different cartridges, how much difference would there really be??
Anybody?

[270Shooter]

You are welcome to run up this way toward Prosser and put some rounds down range with both the 7mm and .300 if you want. My 7mm is in Remington and is currently scoped and the .300 tikka is unscoped, but you could get a feel for both. PM if interested and we can meet up. Michael


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i remember talking to you when you were trying to sell that .300 I might take you up that if I can after this weekend, I'll be duck hunting but after this weekend I'll be free.

[BULLBLASTER]

This bear sure didn't like the 215 Berger at 70-80 yards. That's a 4-6 inch exit.
This one hit a shoulder. I've had rib shots with 1-2 inch exit also.

I say for a do all rifle a 300 win and 215 is great for anything you'd come across in wa

[b23]

Felt recoil is sometimes a tricky thing.  I've shot a pretty big range of different rifles but the two that stick out the most, with regard to recoil, was a 257 Weatherby mag and a 270 WSM.  Neither is really what I'd call a big thumper but they both had kind of a nasty harsh bite to them.

The 7mm Blaser Mag that is pretty similar to a 7Rem mag.  It weighs a little over 10lbs,  has a baffle style muzzle brake and shooting the 180 Bergers 3050fps it has minimal felt recoil.

[slm9s]

There's nothing in the lower 48 that the 7RM won't easily take.   And, it is EXCELLENT at long range.  This is my 7RM at 1660 yards.  Don't get me wrong, I really like 300wm's too, but only heavy and braked.  My vote is for the 7RM.

[bearpaw]

"Beware of the man with one rifle"


I think people get too diversified with rifles.  I understand the drive to find the perfect rifle for the perfect scenario BUT if you stick with what you are already used to........you will make less mistakes .02


For example, I tell guys who only shoot a few coyotes a year to used their go to hunting rifle.  Doesn't matter if a 300 or a 338, it will only build experience and confidence in the rifle you already have.

The other thing, totally opinion, I think the 300 puts em down quicker and harder. Killed deer bear, elk, moose etc with it.
As for recoil that has more to do with gun design than cartridge. My current 300 is very soft shooting. As one post mentioned the 280 is a fine cartridge, very close to the 7mag, very soft shooting.
Get a rifle that comes up quick, feels right and kills.
Carl

  Both excellent comments! Rifle design makes the difference, my 300 Weatherby and 340 Weatherby kick less than most 300's and less than many 7mm's I've shot! Of the two rifles the OP questioned, I would choose the 300 WM, if he ever goes after bigger game it would be a bit better than the 7mm. Put a good recoil pad (limbsaver or similar) on whatever gun you get and it will soften the recoil a good 30% to 40%.

[Alchase]

Based on the amount of 300 wm you see for sale on here. I would go with the 7mm.
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.

I'd be curious to know how much difference there really is. I've shot a 7mm Rem Mag that kicked like a damn mule. I can watch bullets break clay targets through the scope with my .300wm. 2 very different rifles though. If you took 2 of the same rifles and shot the 2 different cartridges, how much difference would there really be??
Anybody?

Like I said, the rifle makes a bigger difference then caliber between 300WM and 7MM.
I have a Ruger M77 MkII, in 7mm and I have a Sako Finlight in 300WM.
The Sako is a much better build, has a more solid feel to it, and handles to the recoil a bit better then the Ruger.
I had a Win Model 70 in 300WM, that had noticeably harder recoil then the same Ruger in 7MM.

[bearpaw]

Based on the amount of 300 wm you see for sale on here. I would go with the 7mm.
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.

I'd be curious to know how much difference there really is. I've shot a 7mm Rem Mag that kicked like a damn mule. I can watch bullets break clay targets through the scope with my .300wm. 2 very different rifles though. If you took 2 of the same rifles and shot the 2 different cartridges, how much difference would there really be??
Anybody?

Like I said, the rifle makes a bigger difference then caliber between 300WM and 7MM.
I have a Ruger M77 MkII, in 7mm and I have a Sako Finlight in 300WM.
The Sako is a much better build, has a more solid feel to it, and handles to the recoil a bit better then the Ruger.
I had a Win Model 70 in 300WM, that had noticeably harder recoil then the same Ruger in 7MM.

  Especially the Rugers I have shot all kicked harder than some other brands in the same caliber, but Rugers are very reliable if you don't mind the kick.