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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2017, 07:37:47 PM »
I hope we get the costal brown bears from kodiak maybe a couple of polar bears too.

Heck no, I'm tired of non-native species getting invited over onto non-native land. Have you seen the videos about the salmon population going down since some stupid person started putting pikes in the lakes, streams and rivers?


That small potatoes compared to what damns and fish farms do.


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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2017, 07:42:26 PM »
I hope we get the costal brown bears from kodiak maybe a couple of polar bears too.

Heck no, I'm tired of non-native species getting invited over onto non-native land. Have you seen the videos about the salmon population going down since some stupid person started putting pikes in the lakes, streams and rivers?


That small potatoes compared to what damns and fish farms do.


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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2017, 08:47:13 PM »
I attended the "open house" tonight.. its ok guys i was assured these bears cant read maps but dont go within 500 yards of roads or well used trails!  And thats when i walked out.. i mean these guys must really know  :bash:their stuff

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2017, 07:01:36 AM »
I attended the "open house" tonight.. its ok guys i was assured these bears cant read maps but dont go within 500 yards of roads or well used trails!  And thats when i walked out.. i mean these guys must really know  :bash:their stuff

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2017, 11:19:27 PM »
Norm Dicks Puts Gray-Wolf Study On The Fast Track -- Reintroduction Wasn't Priority For Agencies

Argues Mitch Friedman, director of the Northwest Ecosystem Alliance, "Wolves in the Olympics make perfect political sense because you've got a congressman who wants them in his district. But biologically speaking, why are we starting another batch of cookies while we let the ones we've already got in the oven burn?"

While funding for the Olympic wolf-restoration program has been rolling through the House, the Fish and Wildlife Service last week announced it had completed a grizzly-bear recovery plan for the North Cascades - a study first begun in 1991.

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2017, 02:10:25 PM »
In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2017, 02:27:03 PM »
If it's like the one here, everything you will see there you can read online.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2017, 02:33:51 PM »
Commissioners seek your feedback about grizzly restoration options at Feb. 22 meeting

Grizzly bears could return to the North Cascades – or not. The National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service recently released a draft Grizzly Bear Restoration Plan/Environmental Impact Statement, and will present information on the alternatives and how to submit formal public comment at a meeting Feb. 22 with the Skagit County Board of Commissioners.

The public meeting is set for 9 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 22, at the Commissioners’ Hearing Room, 1800 Continental Place, Mount Vernon.

Skagit County Commissioners want to hear feedback on the proposed options from members of the public, but formal public comment on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement will not be accepted. Instead, representatives from the National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will explain their process for submitting formal public comment.

More information about the Draft Environmental Impact Statement, including dates and times of additional open houses, and information about submitting public comment is available online at: http://parkplanning.nps.gov/grizzlydeis.

Comments may also be submitted through March 14, 2017, via regular mail or hand delivery at: Superintendent’s Office, North Cascades National Park Service Complex, 810 State Route 20, Sedro-Woolley, WA 98284
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2017, 02:42:12 PM »
So they are going to hold 2 meetings the same day? One in darrington one down town MV? I would love to go, but I'm not sure I'm well versed enough on the subject to be a great voice on the issue. Perhaps I could go and just report on it.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2017, 02:49:07 PM »
So they are going to hold 2 meetings the same day? One in darrington one down town MV? I would love to go, but I'm not sure I'm well versed enough on the subject to be a great voice on the issue. Perhaps I could go and just report on it.

There is no voice, it's an open house with a bunch of banners you can read along with a few employees that you can ask questions. At least that is how the cashmere one was set up. Quite the joke  :twocents:
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2017, 03:52:44 PM »
As frustrating as it is, I think we still need to at least make a showing of numbers to demonstrate that there are many residents of Washington who are concerned and or against reintroducing Grizzlies. The safety issue, the cost ( couldn't our tax dollars be better spent), the impact on our game (unlike Yellowstone Park and Glacier National Park where there is no hunting allowed) closing off areas to the public, are all valid concerns. We need to let them see not everyone wants transplanted Grizzlies helicoptered into the North Cascades Ecosystem without these and other issues addressed. If the powers to be are still wanting to proceed after all our concerns and comments are stated, at least we participated. We should make sure before they start the process they have all their t's crossed and i's dotted. Strength in numbers, let them know you care what happens. Hunters may only make up 4% of Washington's population, but our voices still count! Send them your comments.

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2017, 03:54:58 PM »
As frustrating as it is, I think we still need to at least make a showing of numbers to demonstrate that there are many residents of Washington who are concerned and or against reintroducing Grizzlies. The safety issue, the cost ( couldn't our tax dollars be better spent), the impact on our game (unlike Yellowstone Park and Glacier National Park where there is no hunting allowed) closing off areas to the public, are all valid concerns. We need to let them see not everyone wants transplanted Grizzlies helicoptered into the North Cascades Ecosystem without these and other issues addressed. If the powers to be are still wanting to proceed after all our concerns and comments are stated, at least we participated. We should make sure before they start the process they have all their t's crossed and i's dotted. Strength in numbers, let them know you care what happens. Hunters may only make up 4% of Washington's population, but our voices still count! Send them your comments.

I agree but showing up will do no good if it is an open house like I went to. There is nobody there to hear our voices, instead they leave out pieces of paper to write your comments or give you a link to a website to submit your comment.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2017, 03:57:45 PM »
Ok let's unleash the power of Hunt Wa on this one. Let's find as many links of support on Grizzlies seen in Washington state. I'll print out a bunch read them and give it hell. I'll do some research when I get home, but I'd be surprised if @wolfbait didn't have some saved on his computer.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2017, 03:58:51 PM »
If nothing else I could be a carnival style barker of information.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2017, 05:03:01 PM »
A wildlife biologist (retired) who has moved to Montana made a point to drive 500 miles to show up to one of the meetings held recently (this was published in an article in the Wenatchee World, Grizzly meeting draws bear size crowd, ) to voice his concern, so let's do our part.

 


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