Spring Bear Draw Date Poll

[Woodchuck]

Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.

I am over this situation, but just wanted to make it clear again that I talked to fish and game and it was a draw. Not a test or anything of such nature. 4 hunters were left out so they pulled the draw and did a redraw. Wdfw confirmed this today when I spoke with them. Anyone feel free to call them. They apologized and agreed that they were at fault. And again no results should be posted until the draw is absolutely 100 percent accurate and done. We are not living in the stone age. These drawings have been around for years. But again I'm over it. Big government wins again

I am not questioning the why or where or how. My point is that the results were never posted as official. This is not the first time this has happened and a person should not get their hopes too high until you get the e mail. 

[trophyhunt]

Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?


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Im not exactly  sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.

[Calvin Rayborn]

Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?


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Im not exactly  sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.

I think your solution would have been a very reasonable decision...but why go with the most logical plan, eh? 

[andrew_in_idaho]

Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?


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Im not exactly  sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.

So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistake


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[trophyhunt]

Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?


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Im not exactly  sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.

So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistake


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They took the time to call them, they did get a hold of both parties and one wanted points, the other a hunt.

[Calvin Rayborn]

Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?


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Im not exactly  sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.

So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistake


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Couldn't agree with you more, Andrew. I say 4 guys mess-up their OWN applications = 4 guys get points and move it on down the road. Don't screw with the 7,000 other folks' results... Jeez!

[Jonathan_S]

You can't have a permit revoked you didn't receive.  Until you receive your hard copy in the mail you don't have a permit.  WDFW is a joke of a department, if you are surprised there was a screw up you are a fool.  I expect the drawing to be ridiculously late and flawed every year.

 

Until the dust settles, nothing is over. Wish we couldn't see "indicators" of the draw

[idahohuntr]

Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?


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Im not exactly  sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.

So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistake


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Couldn't agree with you more, Andrew. I say 4 guys mess-up their OWN applications = 4 guys get points and move it on down the road. Don't screw with the 7,000 other folks' results... Jeez!

Hmmmm...this changes my perspective if I understand correctly.  If the fault is with the 4 applicants and not WDFW or the license system, there should not be corrections or "redraws"...as stated above, give them their points and send them along.  If the WDFW is at fault, and left 4 applicants out - then they did the right thing.  In either case, the results aren't official until they are 

[bobcat]

Id also agree that anyone who doesn't properly submit there applications shouldn't have them fixed at the last minute by the WDFW.

[trophyhunt]

Id also agree that anyone who doesn't properly submit there applications shouldn't have them fixed at the last minute by the WDFW.

Again, I'm not exactly sure what or how that happened (those guys not being put in), I just want to be clear about that.  But I am positive about the Wdfw's due diligence to fix it and get it right.

[Calvin Rayborn]

Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.

There is no question that there was a re-draw - was already admitted to by WDFW and several other reliable sources who were present at the draw. This whole shenanigan over 4 lousy applications that were not properly completed by the applicants themselves and therefore not included in the draw. So the 7,000 others who went through the first draw get to to pay for the mistakes of four people.

[Calvin Rayborn]

Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.

PS - You just don't post results on everyone's accounts until it's already official. If WDFW doesn't have that worked out by now, than the whole system needs to go back to the drawing board, simple as that.

[TriggerMike]

So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?

[idahohuntr]

So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?

My guess is they are going to run the draw like they have for the last several decades, and if an issue comes up they will address it and move on.  I advise those most upset by this recent draw to not check online results, but wait for a special permit card in the mail. 

[trophyhunt]

So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?

They are very aware of what needs to be done and how important it is to get it right.