Governor Inslee Signed New Law To Keep Wolf Attacks Out Of Public View

[Roundhead]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2017-05-08/some-info-about-wolf-attacks-will-be-exempt-under-new-law

[Ice Cap]

Looks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.

[pianoman9701]

Good move on the idiot's Governor's part.  I guess even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while.

[bigtex]

Looks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.

This is a terrible thread title. The bill (now law) does not hide the incident, just the individuals involved.

[jackelope]

Clarification:


OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — A new state law will exempt from public disclosure personal information about people who report or respond to wolf attacks in Washington state.


Gov. Jay Inslee signed House Bill 1465 into law Monday.


The legislation prevents the release of information of people who report wolf attacks as well as those who participate in state programs aimed at preventing wolf attacks. It will also exempt the names of state contractors or others involved in killing wolves from public records.


The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife and other supporters have cited death threats received by employees, ranchers and others. They say the measure is needed to protect those who deal with wolves.


Meanwhile, some argue that private information should be protected but that the public has the right to know how state policies and programs are carried out.

[KFhunter]

This is good, the (name redacted) got death threats and a lot of heat, like wise the (name redacted) had a lot of folks calling for their heads as well.

[pd]

Looks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.

This is a terrible thread title. The bill (now law) does not hide the incident, just the individuals involved.

 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Looks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.

This is a terrible thread title. The bill (now law) does not hide the incident, just the individuals involved.

 

pretty standard

[bearpaw]

This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!

[Roundhead]

Ah very good move sounds so good now.
Then all of a sudden there is zero wolf attack incidents reported and you wonder how WDFW was able to manage and trained wolves so well. 
No names attached to the incidents mean there are no incidence.

[Roundhead]

This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!

Double edge sword don't you think? Ya need to put your thinking hat on when it comes to WA socialist liberal Governor.

[Mudman]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

[bigtex]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???

[bearpaw]

This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!

Double edge sword don't you think? Ya need to put your thinking hat on when it comes to WA socialist liberal Governor.

I'm pretty sure it was one of our local conservative  legislators that wrote the bill. Fortunately it had bi-partisan support and the Gov signed it.

[bearpaw]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???

I'm nearly certain WDFW supports this to protect the cattlemen because cattlemen have been threatened in the past. WDFW has requested that I remove names from certain topics to protect cattlemen in the past. 

[bigtex]

This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!

Most of the sponsoring Representatives were from wolf infested areas. The few legislators who did oppose (4 senators and 4 representatives) were democrats.

[bigtex]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???

WDFW supports this to protect the cattlemen because they have been threatened in the past.

I know that. My response was to Mudman who doesn't like the law and says instead it should be apart of a hate crime law.

[Roundhead]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

Remember this is the same guy who is providing sanctuaries for illegal alien criminals.
Now is he going to protect the heart land?
How does that work?

[Roundhead]

Lets wait and see.

[Mudman]

Maybe its good? Hate crime is Hating people who understand and want to remove WOLVES!  That's why they are threatened right?  If a person decides they like men and women and I threaten them its a hate crime, what good for the goose!  (then that Bi-person changes their mind next month ) I hope law helps with this matter but I still don't trust em to manipulate it to help wolf agenda.  Does Idaho do this too?  Bigtex why cant we go after the dirtbags doing the threats??  Money?  If a person was doing a hate crime threat the law would be after em quick right?

[bearpaw]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???

WDFW supports this to protect the cattlemen because they have been threatened in the past.

I know that. My response was to Mudman who doesn't like the law and says instead it should be apart of a hate crime law.

Yes, I understood, I was just adding to the conversation. 

[jackelope]

This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!

Double edge sword don't you think? Ya need to put your thinking hat on when it comes to WA socialist liberal Governor.

Dale, I found your thinking hat. The cat stole it.

[wolfbait]

Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em.  I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda.  How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others?  Oh wait that's done.  Hmm.  Make it Hate crime and prosecute.

This law will help in protecting those who have been harassed by the pro-wolf crowd.

As far as manipulation of news by WDFW etc., that started even before the first wolf pack was confirmed in WA, and continues today. Many wolf/human/livestock conflicts would/will never be report if not for the public coming out with it.

Don't forget WDF&Wolves are for wolves first, ungulates are way down the list in management. Need to drain the WDFW swamp.

[bearpaw]

There is plenty of distrust here in WDFW and I fully agree that they value wolves (predators) over ungulates, but this was good legislation that fortunately WDFW and most politicians supported despite other dissenting views regarding wolves. Cattlemen were receiving threats from all sorts of wackos, most are empty threats, the problem is that you don't know which whacko will follow through. It's just amazing to me that any legislators voted against protecting the identity and well being of citizens who have already suffered financial losses to wolves.

[Roundhead]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

[jackelope]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?

As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.

[pianoman9701]

Don't use logic and facts, Jack. It just confuses everyone.

[Blacktail Sniper]

 

[Mudman]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

That is how I see it as well.  if News wanted to do investigative reports how could they interview a Rancher?  If wdfw biased shady reports are in accurate how would we find out?  The reports can say what they will and we have no means to verify the truth or lack of?  I can see it now.  WDFW report;"A rancher reported a suspected wolfkill in Ferry Co on or about 2-22-22.  After an extensive investigation we are unable to confirm the hamstrung, disembowed, partially eaten calf covered in canine feces was 100% killed by a wolf and not a hybrid pet or coyote."  C'mon guys, think about this.  I fear it will help them cover it up.  Since when did they give a rats azz about protecting the Cattlemen of this state from wolf related issues???    Now the Rancher must go public to get the truth out in hopes of stopping the slaughter.  What good is the law now?  Prosecute the people committing the crimes of threats!  That is the answer.  Heck maybe we should apply this law to D. Trump hey?  It seems he has it worse than a rancher with a dead cow.  Its not like they prosecute a person who threatens the Pres. right?   Censorship and lack of transparency is almost never a good thing.  Don't we scream for more and not less like a liberal?  The law must at least leave an option open for investigative reporting or something..

[wolfbait]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

That is how I see it as well.  if News wanted to do investigative reports how could they interview a Rancher?  If wdfw biased shady reports are in accurate how would we find out?  The reports can say what they will and we have no means to verify the truth or lack of?  I can see it now.  WDFW report;"A rancher reported a suspected wolfkill in Ferry Co on or about 2-22-22.  After an extensive investigation we are unable to confirm the hamstrung, disembowed, partially eaten calf covered in canine feces was 100% killed by a wolf and not a hybrid pet or coyote."  C'mon guys, think about this.  I fear it will help them cover it up.  Since when did they give a rats azz about protecting the Cattlemen of this state from wolf related issues???    Now the Rancher must go public to get the truth out in hopes of stopping the slaughter.  What good is the law now?  Prosecute the people committing the crimes of threats!  That is the answer.  Heck maybe we should apply this law to D. Trump hey?  It seems he has it worse than a rancher with a dead cow.  Its not like they prosecute a person who threatens the Pres. right?   Censorship and lack of transparency is almost never a good thing.  Don't we scream for more and not less like a liberal?  The law must at least leave an option open for investigative reporting or something..

I can see your point with no problem, but the truth be told WDFW have been lying and hiding wolf problems from the beginning. Look at their bogus wolf count, their failure to confirm wolf predation on livestock unless forced to do so, failure to confirm known wolf packs, and their BS wolf plan. There have been several wolf conflicts in the Methow before and since the first wolf pack was confirmed that WDFW refuse to report to the public. WDFW have lied at every corner in the crooked road to so called wolf recovery. The only change this law will have is to give some relief from the dingbat pro-wolfers when ranchers etc. need help in killing some wolves.

There should be an investigation on the impact the wolves have and are having on the ungulates, instead of another BS study that has already been done several times. Where does common sense or common knowledge for that matter and WDFW meet? Way down the crooked road to hell and no hunting?

[Roundhead]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?

As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.

So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?

[bearpaw]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?

As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.

So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?

You're way off base and twisting what jackelope said.
This legislation was created by our local legislators here in the NE to try and protect the ranchers who have losses and then have lunatics threatening them. It's too bad you can't see past your hatred of WDFW to recognize the benefit of protecting the identity of these ranchers who have already suffered due to wolf impacts. 

[pianoman9701]

Don't feed the trolls.

[Roundhead]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?

As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.

So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?

You're way off base and twisting what jackelope said.
This legislation was created by our local legislators here in the NE to try and protect the ranchers who have losses and then have lunatics threatening them. It's too bad you can't see past your hatred of WDFW to recognize the benefit of protecting the identity of these ranchers who have already suffered due to wolf impacts. 

I understand all that as a given and basis for this law.
Now I'm just asking a simple question, are we going to trust WDFW to deliver the accurate quality and quantity of reports?
It's not hatred for me, it is the trust that I never had with WDFW.

[wolfbait]

So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?

I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.

The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?

As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.

So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?

You're way off base and twisting what jackelope said.
This legislation was created by our local legislators here in the NE to try and protect the ranchers who have losses and then have lunatics threatening them. It's too bad you can't see past your hatred of WDFW to recognize the benefit of protecting the identity of these ranchers who have already suffered due to wolf impacts. 

I understand all that as a given and basis for this law.
Now I'm just asking a simple question, are we going to trust WDFW to deliver the accurate quality and quantity of reports?
It's not hatred for me, it is the trust that I never had with WDFW.

WDFW have never been Honest on the wolf program even before the first wolf pack was confirmed, this law will not change that. There has never been and will never be any accountability of the WDFW, you get what they and their environmental partners choose to give you.

This law won't matter in that department.

[Mudman]

I hope this helps the people impacted.  I hope it isn't used as a negative tool by others.  It seems that is all a man is left with these days-HOPE.  Now I understand why Obamas slogan was so effective.

[Roundhead]

WDFW operates the best in the shade; the less transparent the better. Just look at our fisheries. They deal with the tribes behind doors in private and we have nothing to say. Hell, we can't even be in the same room listening and their conversations aren't even recorded and broadcasted. So this wolf issue is a win-win for WDFW to slowly shut the door of transparencies.
Oh well you get what you ask for.

[wolfbait]

WDFW operates the best in the shade; the less transparent the better. Just look at our fisheries. They deal with the tribes behind doors in private and we have nothing to say. Hell, we can't even be in the same room listening and their conversations aren't even recorded and broadcasted. So this wolf issue is a win-win for WDFW to slowly shut the door of transparencies.
Oh well you get what you ask for.

WDFW won the wolf issue when they past their bogus wolf plan, there has never been any transparency with them and there never will be. WDFW are not game managers they are running a no hunting campaign promoting and protecting predators, with the backing of the USFWS.

Hunt while you can.