Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras

[Rainier10]

I agree ethics is a different topic than harvest for sure.  Everyone has a completely different set of ideas as far as ethics go.  Hunting rules and regulations are set to control harvest not to control ethics.  I don't think that cameras should be limited due to ethics.  Is that what your argument about these cameras is?  Are they ethical in realm of fair chase?

Ethics are the toughest thing you are ever going to argue.  We have one heck of time at hunter ed talking about them.  Is it legal to shoot ducks on the water?  Yes.  Is it ethical?  Is it in the spirit of fair chase?  To most, no, to some, yes.

[Machias]

But you do sound like you are looking down your nose, because you keep throwing out fair chase, as if I am not following fair chase, I am an unethical hunter using unfair practices to hunt.  And now the revelation that you are using cameras as well, doing the exact same thing I am.  The only difference is you drive out and download your photos.  I receive mine in an e-mail.  We have our cameras out for a week.  On Saturday you and I are both looking at 100 photos.  The difference is I saved 2 hours of driving to retrieve my photos.

[Rainier10]

This one has really taken a turn.

I will say that I like and use trail cameras.  I just bought a live feed camera to put at my place so I don't have to drive 5 hours to check it.

If someone wants to argue that it is a bad thing I will tell them I am saving the planet by reducing my carbon footprint and not burning fossil fuel to go check my cameras and I am using the intel to harvest some truly free range totally organic red meat.  I am actually part of team green.   

[Wacenturion]

 

[fishngamereaper]

I run a few cams a year but enjoy the time I spend going to check them and its pretty exciting to see whats on them. If you have pics sent to you from yours more power to you. But how do you limit it. Would you be ok with a hunting camp hanging 20 cams in an area and then sitting around camp waiting for live intel? Or do you restrict use while in camp? Do you want to be watched while your hunting in the woods? Would you have a problem with WDFW using them for live feed info? Again where do you draw the line. If you want to use them prior to the season I don't see issues with that, but like some of the laws written once the season starts the cams are gone. 

Years ago you never saw a cam in the woods. I've ran cams for a long time and keep them really well hidden as to not alarm the average person. But it seems now you walk through the woods and see cams everywhere. If this keeps up I can see private timber companies/WDFW restricting the number of cams you can have, requiring them to be marked with name and phn #, and maybe even registering the location.

And comparing cams to other technologies is senseless. Completely different topics.

[Wacenturion]

One thing you left out the equation.....you need coverage for cell cams to work.  Most deer camps out in the booneys probable don't have service or at least signal strength strong enough to utilize cellular cams.  So the picture you paint of guys sitting around deer camp and watching 20 cams on their laptop is unrealistic.

As it has already been pointed out, having the technology to shoot an animal at 800-1000 yards has far more impact on the possibility of said animal to not be able to escape than a cellular cam.  Technology is technology, and they can be compared relevant to whats being discussed.

[lord grizzly]

But you do sound like you are looking down your nose, because you keep throwing out fair chase, as if I am not following fair chase, I am an unethical hunter using unfair practices to hunt.  And now the revelation that you are using cameras as well, doing the exact same thing I am.  The only difference is you drive out and download your photos.  I receive mine in an e-mail.  We have our cameras out for a week.  On Saturday you and I are both looking at 100 photos.  The difference is I saved 2 hours of driving to retrieve my photos.

Wrong. I never said you were practicing anything unethical. Again, actually read what I'm writing, maybe a little slower and with less defences up. I'm saying the opertunity is there with the ever advancing technology and I fully support the game departments getting in front of tech instead of chasing it

[lord grizzly]

Also I mentioned that I had trail cams myself on about the first page of this thread

[lord grizzly]

One thing you left out the equation.....you need coverage for cell cams to work.  Most deer camps out in the booneys probable don't have service or at least signal strength strong enough to utilize cellular cams.  So the picture you paint of guys sitting around deer camp and watching 20 cams on their laptop is unrealistic.

Because that's going to stay the same forever    by the way I'm replying to this on a device that fits In my pocket that 20 years ago would take up an entire desk and have to be plugged into a wall. Oh and cost an arm and a leg at the time. Yup all will stay just as it is

[NOCK NOCK]

again harvest success and fair chase are completely separate issues. I kill a deer and elk every year. my success rate is 100% on public land. the fact that I do has nothing to do with the issue of fair chase on a whole or how my harvest success affect others. I could really care less if you do or don't get your bull. I do care that the bull has his chance to be persuade as fairly as possible.  I think you guys are correlating fair chase to be between hunters, its not, its between hunters and game. and tech in this area needs to be kept up with period.

Lord Grizzly,
Through out this thread you seem to be a HUGE proponent of fair chase, and ethical hunting, (majority of your posts contain, in your own words, fair chase.

I may be confusing you with someone else, but, were you not one of those who were in support of Bullwinkles killing/killer, TR.?

Just a question. 

[lord grizzly]

I don't recall putting my "support" in any camp. I do recall calling out the kangaroo court from a bunch of folks that weren't there that was that thread. I know someone that was actually in person for that event. And while shooting a bull out in a pasture isn't what does it for me what part of that action would be construed as not fair chase? Boone &Crocket recognizes animals shot in pastures as long as their not behind a high fence. Ironic all the guys that don't want to be told they can't do something that are so willing to tell someone else they can't do something...

[NOCK NOCK]

Not telling anyone what they can or cant do, just asking a simple question, Thanks for the reply.

[lord grizzly]

If the question is do i support breaking of game laws then no, I absolutely do not. I believe that hunter was not found guilty of breaking any though I'll admit I really  stopped paying attention to exactly how that officially ended in the court

[Odell]

Personally I would be happy to get all trail cameras off public land but that's just my .02. I don't have any problem with them on private. Seems like live stream camera tech would be easy to handle, just apply the same rule as flying in alaska, can't hunt the same day that you got live stream.

Or just regulate them to send once every 24 hours. 9:00 pm send and you hunt the next day. I can see the advantages to being able to check in from home. Just not having live streaming

[lord grizzly]

The simplist thing is montanas law. Scout all you want with whatever and all
Cams need to be pulled prior to openeimg day. Pretty simple and you can still reap benifits and enjoyment from trail cams