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I will say this.. there are certain laws you guys could pass that can guarantee someone like me will move out of the state. A Montana type game cam law would be one of them. You might think that is great...and perhaps it would be in your lifetime... but eventually you too will lose the support for the things you enjoy and someone like me who would be that additional voice supporting your rights won't be there...... hopefully for your own interests it won't be in your generation (I feel sorry for the next generations though)...If there is going to be a state where we see big restrictions on hunting in the future then I'd have to think WA would be near the top of the list... aside from the crazy politics on the west side we seem to have so many hunters more than willing to join the side of those who want to restrict opportunity.
Quote from: DBHAWTHORNE on June 08, 2017, 09:22:38 AMI will say this.. there are certain laws you guys could pass that can guarantee someone like me will move out of the state. A Montana type game cam law would be one of them. You might think that is great...and perhaps it would be in your lifetime... but eventually you too will lose the support for the things you enjoy and someone like me who would be that additional voice supporting your rights won't be there...... hopefully for your own interests it won't be in your generation (I feel sorry for the next generations though)...If there is going to be a state where we see big restrictions on hunting in the future then I'd have to think WA would be near the top of the list... aside from the crazy politics on the west side we seem to have so many hunters more than willing to join the side of those who want to restrict opportunity.how is restricting technology in the spirit of fair chase restrict opportunity? I don't se anything about taking cams out of the woods eliminating seasons or there durations? in fact I've seen some on here state that perhaps a answer would be allowing these cameras and shortening seasons to accommodate (makes zero sense to me where that's coming from) but that would indeed be restricting opportunity. last I checked Montana has some pretty liberal hunting seasons and this rule didn't change that.
There has to be some limits set in place for the use of the growing electronic tech in the hunting world. Kinda like auto-matic bait feeders and heat sensors. Will it really help our cause if this up coming generation relies on hi-tech equipment to aid in the hunt? IMO anything electronic is worlds apart from fair chase hunting. I think lord grizzy has a good point by looking at the big picture.
Quote from: hunter399 on June 08, 2017, 08:35:32 AMQuote from: Rainier10 on June 08, 2017, 08:15:41 AMAnd what I have been saying is if it affecting game populations I am open to discussions about limiting the use of these new technologies. If it is a "I don't hunt that way and I don't think anyone should hunt different than I do" then I have an issue with taking away the ability to use these cameras. HUNTING ETHICS. ... FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.The Rules of Fair ChaseThe term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.From any power vehicle or power boat.By “jacklighting” or shining at night.By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.By the use of any power vehicle or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow.Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable.The fair chase concept does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent’s natural resources.Some people have more respect for wildlife than others I guess ,as for it effecting game populations ,it will over time when cell trail cams become more affordable for every sportsman.This attitude that it's not effecting game populations now so why worry about is not good , that is part of the problem with wildlife management.Cause we wait ,then the populations take a lot of years to rebound.You do realize that hunting effects game populations correct? Guns, muzzleloaders and archery equipment are all used to take animals thus effecting game populations.
Quote from: Rainier10 on June 08, 2017, 08:15:41 AMAnd what I have been saying is if it affecting game populations I am open to discussions about limiting the use of these new technologies. If it is a "I don't hunt that way and I don't think anyone should hunt different than I do" then I have an issue with taking away the ability to use these cameras. HUNTING ETHICS. ... FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.The Rules of Fair ChaseThe term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.From any power vehicle or power boat.By “jacklighting” or shining at night.By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.By the use of any power vehicle or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow.Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable.The fair chase concept does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent’s natural resources.Some people have more respect for wildlife than others I guess ,as for it effecting game populations ,it will over time when cell trail cams become more affordable for every sportsman.This attitude that it's not effecting game populations now so why worry about is not good , that is part of the problem with wildlife management.Cause we wait ,then the populations take a lot of years to rebound.
And what I have been saying is if it affecting game populations I am open to discussions about limiting the use of these new technologies. If it is a "I don't hunt that way and I don't think anyone should hunt different than I do" then I have an issue with taking away the ability to use these cameras.
I did not bring up shortening seasons another member on here did in this thread. i repeated it and said it didn't make sense to me. and "opportunity" is not the same as "advantage" those dots aren't connecting. your opportunity does not decrease with the lack of tech, yes your advantage does. very circular discussion now since that's right back to my fair chase stance. you obviously cant see the forest for the trees on this one and that's ok. im talking about my game department not yours so im pretty happy there looking into getting this on the right track.
Quote from: Rainier10 on June 08, 2017, 08:48:27 AMQuote from: hunter399 on June 08, 2017, 08:35:32 AMQuote from: Rainier10 on June 08, 2017, 08:15:41 AMAnd what I have been saying is if it affecting game populations I am open to discussions about limiting the use of these new technologies. If it is a "I don't hunt that way and I don't think anyone should hunt different than I do" then I have an issue with taking away the ability to use these cameras. HUNTING ETHICS. ... FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.The Rules of Fair ChaseThe term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.From any power vehicle or power boat.By “jacklighting” or shining at night.By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.By the use of any power vehicle or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow.Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable.The fair chase concept does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent’s natural resources.Some people have more respect for wildlife than others I guess ,as for it effecting game populations ,it will over time when cell trail cams become more affordable for every sportsman.This attitude that it's not effecting game populations now so why worry about is not good , that is part of the problem with wildlife management.Cause we wait ,then the populations take a lot of years to rebound.You do realize that hunting effects game populations correct? Guns, muzzleloaders and archery equipment are all used to take animals thus effecting game populations.Ya I realize that hunting effects game populations other wise there would be no seasons at all,Let's say cell connected trail cams are 20 dollars a piece, and every Hunter has one ,You don't think for one minute that it's not gonna effect game harvest or population numbers .Here you better add cell trail cams to this chart , so you can see the big picture.
examples pertaining to this discussion from my prospective. opportunity- hunting season is X day to Y day. I wouldn't propose changing that based on a camera on a tree. your opportunity to peruse game has not decreased. advantage - remotely tracking an animal via electronic device with the intention to harvest. your advantage over that game animal has increased significantly . again I end up back at my fair chase stance. if your stance is you believe tech should be made available to make hunting easier your barking up the wrong tree with a guy like me and I doubt you would get much public support with that as a basis of your argument.
I simply don't get the unethical advantage of seeing an animal on a cell phone that "results in a lack of fair chase"... The simple fact remains, no matter how you spot or find out about an animal, while driving a mountain road, while glassing from a mile away, from talking to other hunters, or while viewing photos coming to your phone from a trail cam miles away, you cannot shoot the animal until you get withing shooting range of that animal. Trail cam photos, even real time photos, do not kill an animal, you must hunt/stalk to within shooting distance. If the hunter fails to get within range quick enough the animal may be gone without even having been spooked, if the hunter fails to be stealthy enough while hunting to get within range the animal may be gone, and then once within range the hunter still has to make the shot count. Please explain how viewing an animal on a cell phone replaces the hunt, the act of successfully stalking/getting within range to kill the animal. I would think autos, high power optics, horses, long range rifles, gun powder, quality bullets, etc, etc, all have more influence on a hunter actually successfully hunting and killing an animal. It would seem all those items would result in a hunt being less fair chase?