Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras

[singleshot12]

Relying on technology to pattern animals = hunters loosing their instinct.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

Using that logic the rifle is also not fair chase because the animal standing out in the open and the odds are very high it won't survive that encounter with such advanced technology.

 While the scenario you paint is possible...and disturbing... I'd say that it would be so few and far between that it would have little if no impact on the resource... in the end we would simply be restricting the pleasure/enjoyment of many for some scenario that isn't how 99.9% will use this piece of technology. Ye have little faith in most of your fellow hunters.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Relying on technology to pattern animals = hunters loosing their instinct.

Not really... takes the exact sames instincts as it takes when I observe them in person (actually in some cases takes more). I know they are there... now I have to figure out what to do.. how to set up for the wind, they don't reliably tell me what direction to expect them from so that's a piece to figure out too (something I don't have to figure out if I watch them in person), when I locate them on camera I may have only night pictures so I need to use my instinct and skill to figure out where they are likely to be during daylight hours... I need my instincts to think about how they use the terrain, I need to use my instincts to determine where to hunt morning and evening based on all the above (the cams can help here sometimes but more often than not they don't)...... I need to think about how I am going to get 30 yards or less from the animal undetected... I could keep going.

[singleshot12]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

This method would be disturbingly effective for a guides with multiple  bait stations  and clients.

[idaho guy]

I'm sure the main reason is the fact that you can see what's there in real time ,and show up there in 15 minutes and shoot animals ,doesn't seem like fair chase to me.

I realize this is what people think can happen, but it is not reality.  You're not going to receive a photo and then go harvest an animal it just doesn't work that way.  I have wireless cameras on my bear baits.  I get a photo within 10 seconds of it triggering, I'd have to jump in my truck and drive 45 miles, get out and sneak in undetected.  It's not realistic.  The animal is long gone or will hear you coming into the camera location.  Deer and elk are even more mobile.  What it does do is save tremendous amounts of gas.  That should make the environmental Nazis happy.  I don't have to drive an hour to see if my bait has been hit, I know one way or the other....it saves a LOT of gas.

I agree no place I hunt could I receive the e-mail and get there in time to still sneak in and kill the animail real time. I should have known this would happen I just bought one a few days ago online! ha ha. 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

This method would be disturbingly effective for a guides with multiple  bait stations  and clients.

I doubt it.

[bearpaw]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

You've still got to successfully get within shooting range before the animal leaves and without spooking the animal. All the camera did was tell you an animal you would like to shoot was there at the time the photo was taken. Successfully getting there in time to kill the animal relies on your hunting ability and how good your other equipment is to get you close enough to begin the stalk!

[singleshot12]

Relying on technology to pattern animals = hunters loosing their instinct.

Not really... takes the exact sames instincts as it takes when I observe them in person (actually in some cases takes more). I know they are there... now I have to figure out what to do.. how to set up for the wind, they don't reliably tell me what direction to expect them from so that's a piece to figure out too (something I don't have to figure out if I watch them in person), when I locate them on camera I may have only night pictures so I need to use my instinct and skill to figure out where they are likely to be during daylight hours... I need my instincts to think about how they use the terrain, I need to use my instincts to determine where to hunt morning and evening based on all the above (the cams can help here sometimes but more often than not they don't)...... I need to think about how I am going to get 30 yards or less from the animal undetected... I could keep going.

I see what you are saying.. But I just don't like to see hunting along with everything else go so hi tech.

If the Eastman brothers aren't for it either am I 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Relying on technology to pattern animals = hunters loosing their instinct.

Not really... takes the exact sames instincts as it takes when I observe them in person (actually in some cases takes more). I know they are there... now I have to figure out what to do.. how to set up for the wind, they don't reliably tell me what direction to expect them from so that's a piece to figure out too (something I don't have to figure out if I watch them in person), when I locate them on camera I may have only night pictures so I need to use my instinct and skill to figure out where they are likely to be during daylight hours... I need my instincts to think about how they use the terrain, I need to use my instincts to determine where to hunt morning and evening based on all the above (the cams can help here sometimes but more often than not they don't)...... I need to think about how I am going to get 30 yards or less from the animal undetected... I could keep going.

I see what you are saying.. But I just don't like to see hunting along with everything else go so hi tech.

If the Eastman brothers aren't for it either am I 

  I do understand the resistance even if I disagree with it to the extent that it doesn't negatively impact the resource in any measurable way. If primitive hunters had their way we wouldn't be using compounds either.

[bearpaw]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

This method would be disturbingly effective for a guides with multiple  bait stations  and clients.

So rather than put our hunters on a bait stand, you think I should tell them that we'll sit in a central location viewing my cell phone and drive like the wind to try and get to a bait before a bear fills his belly and leaves. Exactly how many baits have you viewed a bear that stays at a bait long enough for that to happen? And have you ever seen how cautious a bear acts at a bait, you will still need to be a very effective stalker to slip in and see the bear standing if you can get there before it leaves!

Before I get accused, no I do not own any of the cell phone cameras!

[DBHAWTHORNE]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

This method would be disturbingly effective for a guides with multiple  bait stations  and clients.

So rather than put our hunters on a bait stand, you think I should tell them that we'll sit in a central location viewing my cell phone and drive like the wind to try and get to a bait before a bear fills his belly and leaves. Exactly how many baits have you viewed a bear that stays at a bait long enough for that to happen? And have you ever seen how cautious a bear acts at a bait, you will still need to be a very effective stalker to slip in and see the bear standing if you can get there before it leaves!

Before I get accused, no I do not own any of the cell phone cameras!

  This is what is confusing the heck out of me.... It's almost like I hunt completely different animals than the rest of these guys do.

[Bob33]

I have a sincere question for those in favor of not having restrictions on cellular cameras: is there any hunting equipment and method that you oppose? If so, what is the basis for your opposition?

Airplanes? Night vision? Hunting from motor vehicles? Radio telemetry gear?

[hunter399]

For example, consider a hypothetical hunting scenario during firearm season, with a wireless camera set over a food plot. To use real-time data, lets say a photo or video of a buck on that food plot right now, and then stalk over and shoot that buck because I knew he was there right now – that would be an over-reach of technology and crossing of the fair-chase line, in my opinion.

So this example from page 4 is fair chase c'mon .

You've still got to successfully get within shooting range before the animal leaves and without spooking the animal. All the camera did was tell you an animal you would like to shoot was there at the time the photo was taken. Successfully getting there in time to kill the animal relies on your hunting ability and how good your other equipment is to get you close enough to begin the stalk!

With my 1000 yard rifle and sporting scope easily done (southern accent) and joking of course

[Rainier10]

I have a sincere question for those in favor of not having restrictions on cellular cameras: is there any hunting equipment and method that you oppose? If so, what is the basis for your opposition?

Airplanes? Night vision? Hunting from motor vehicles? Radio telemetry gear?

Airplanes to spot game? I am on the fence on this one.
Night vision, against, too much of an advantage.
From a motor vehicle, against, not safe.
Radio telemetry gear, against, too much of an advantage.
Bait for bears, I am for.
Dogs for bears, I am on the fence.
Dogs for cougars, definitely for.
Crossbows during archery, no.
209 enclosed primers for muzzleloaders, I am against.
Party hunting, I am against.

So yes I have limits.  But each individual has a different idea of what is acceptable.  It really comes down to what is acceptable to the majority and I believe if you don't care either way on a subject you should side with less restrictions.

[JimmyHoffa]

I have a sincere question for those in favor of not having restrictions on cellular cameras: is there any hunting equipment and method that you oppose? If so, what is the basis for your opposition?

Airplanes? Night vision? Hunting from motor vehicles? Radio telemetry gear?

I don't have any issue with WDFW hunting wolves from helicopters using telemetry gear, other than the price.