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machias, I think your example of staying home/saving gas probably cancels and even subtracts the perceived advantages of those cameras. When I go check my cameras (still in the dark ages of trail cams ), I figure since I've already driven all the way out there that I need to get my gas $ worth. So, I'm working on my trails/fixing roads/exploring new areas and then tracking what has been at the camera. I'll spend three or four days out on a camera check. I know half a dozen bow guys that hunt the same area and they sort of do the same thing. If we were all on text cams, all the intel would be limited to the small area the camera is focused on.
Quote from: lord grizzly on June 06, 2017, 08:27:20 AMQuote from: Machias on June 06, 2017, 08:21:51 AMQuote from: Southpole on June 05, 2017, 01:22:13 PMSooo, have these cameras been an issue? Is this just another case of creating a solution to a non existent problem BINGO!your both missing the point. like I said, technology isn't going to move backwards here. much rather see game departments n front of issues than years behind trying to catch up wouldn't you? especially considering the area here (tech) is the fastest evolving thing in the history of man. I understand no one likes change and they like it even less when there inconvenienced but try some practical thinking here and remember were not talking about a game department like Washington, were talking Idaho's. you cant get much more pro hunting than our F&G. this isn't going to be motivated by spite like you guys may be used to, there going to legitimately try and maintain fair chase using practical game laws. but I know you spent a bunch on your fancy cameras...Yeah, well WDFW was pretty pro hunter when I first started my career in 1974. Things change and from my experience I can with certainty tell you that Idaho F&G is also evolving. Headquarters in Boise, just like WDFW headquarters in Olympia. Bigger towns, more liberal views as their populations grown. Just the way things are. I would guess that today there are far more graduates coming out of colleges in the natural resource field without the "grew up hunting" backgrounds of say 40-60 years ago. Views about things are also evolving.So just because it's Idaho F&G, don't think for a minute that they don't have staff with far different opinions than you or me on various issues.
Quote from: Machias on June 06, 2017, 08:21:51 AMQuote from: Southpole on June 05, 2017, 01:22:13 PMSooo, have these cameras been an issue? Is this just another case of creating a solution to a non existent problem BINGO!your both missing the point. like I said, technology isn't going to move backwards here. much rather see game departments n front of issues than years behind trying to catch up wouldn't you? especially considering the area here (tech) is the fastest evolving thing in the history of man. I understand no one likes change and they like it even less when there inconvenienced but try some practical thinking here and remember were not talking about a game department like Washington, were talking Idaho's. you cant get much more pro hunting than our F&G. this isn't going to be motivated by spite like you guys may be used to, there going to legitimately try and maintain fair chase using practical game laws. but I know you spent a bunch on your fancy cameras...
Quote from: Southpole on June 05, 2017, 01:22:13 PMSooo, have these cameras been an issue? Is this just another case of creating a solution to a non existent problem BINGO!
Sooo, have these cameras been an issue? Is this just another case of creating a solution to a non existent problem
Our current director migrated from Idaho!
Quote from: bearpaw on June 06, 2017, 12:35:41 PMOur current director migrated from Idaho!The version I heard what that in fact he was dropped in NE Washington from a black van at midnight, and isn't even the same specie.
The biggest thing that concerns me is the anxiety of hunters to oppose other hunters due to perceived advantages that may not actually exist! It has come to the point that hunters turn on each other on an ever frequent basis because they think another hunter may have an advantage. I think any restriction should be very carefully considered, once something is gone you almost never ever get it back, hunters should be far more considerate of other hunters preferred methods! Unless it's proven that a method is detrimental to our wildlife or hunting, I don't think we should keep adding restrictions, before long the rules pamphlet will be 2 inches thick, nobody will be able to do everything right! Compare a pamphlet from 40 years ago to one today!
Quote from: bearpaw on June 06, 2017, 12:23:38 PMThe biggest thing that concerns me is the anxiety of hunters to oppose other hunters due to perceived advantages that may not actually exist! It has come to the point that hunters turn on each other on an ever frequent basis because they think another hunter may have an advantage. I think any restriction should be very carefully considered, once something is gone you almost never ever get it back, hunters should be far more considerate of other hunters preferred methods! Unless it's proven that a method is detrimental to our wildlife or hunting, I don't think we should keep adding restrictions, before long the rules pamphlet will be 2 inches thick, nobody will be able to do everything right! Compare a pamphlet from 40 years ago to one today! I don't believe the proposal or those who support it have anything to do with perception of one hunter having an advantage over another. I make pretty good money and I could buy any camera on the market. The root of both the proposal and my support at least is fair chase and our game department staying ahead of technology. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand, they have to evolve with the tech. I can't think of a better example than drones. If the game departments just said " oh well what ever you want to do with that thing" you bet your ass guys would be packing drones into the woods and buzzing elk here's. Today, no these cameras make little difference I will conceade that. 2 years ? 1 year? What do they look like? When you hear of team mossback putting 100 cameras up with one guy live steaming from a lap top to 20 guides with head pieces on while they run down the next governors tag bull you guys gunna be all " wow what a great example of Boone and Crockett trophy taking!!" ? Probably not. It's ok to restrict tech in fair chase and it's unquestionable that it's advancement moves faster than hunting regs.
