Here we go again.......................................

[Stein]

Here's an interesting tidbit.  In banning AR-15's in Mass., the argument was made to the Fourth Circuit that they were nearly identical to M-16s and 2A allows for banning military weapons.  The rate of fire of a semi-auto and an auto was considered "nearly identical" and further that semi-auto was more accurate and lethal in many cases.

Now, the argument for bump stocks is being made which is basically the opposite of the above - the rate of fire with a bump stock is much higher and that near full auto is more lethal.

What I see is more states banning magazines and what they deem as assault rifles.  SCOTUS has refused to hear any cases along these lines, so presumably they will stick if the case is made they are not most useful as military weapons.

The interesting side note is that the NRA estimates 5-10 million ARs privately owned in the US.  Does this open a window on the grounds they are not "dangerous and unusual" as required by Heller?  If you add AKs, and all the other semi auto rifles, shotguns and pistols that fall under "assault weapon", you probably can get well over 10 million which would suggest the are not unusual at all.

[HuntnFishnRyan]

The 2nd is not about hunting.
Period.
Brownshirts are always for disarming citizens.

Your right the 2nd amendment is not about hunting , But look how it saved California's gun rights,also when the 2nd was written there was not assault rifles or mass shooting,times are a changing ,laws will follow.Washington state will never let ar15 be a sporting rifle,due to hunting restrictions,I don't see assault weapon bans in Idaho where they can hunt with one. 223 cal.

AR15  AK47, assault rifles can be used can be used to hunt unclassified game in WA state. AR15 can be used to hunt cougar provided it is .22cal or >.24cal or 6mm.

With that said I'm for increased gun regulation but some lawmakers don't have enough experience to decide how to go about it properly. Some of them see a gun that looks big and scary (such as AR15 or AK47) and want to ban it. I have no need for an AK47 but who am I to decide that for you or anyone else? By banning a certain weapon type, lawmakers are attacking certain gun manufacturers as well. A company specializing in AR15's can be put of of business if they are banned. Its career suicide for a lawmaker to put companies out of business (so is a lawmaker trying to cut funding to healthcare or social security but that's a different story). By putting a cap on magazine capacity nobody is going to go out of business and MAY decrease the amount of loss of life in the case of an attack (i.e. las vegas, school shootings). Devices used to increase rate of fire in semi auto weapons isn't going to put anyone out of business either. Now as a hunter, target shooter, responsible citizen I don't think anyone needs a bump stock, gat crank for hunting or home defense. 15 rounds seems like a reasonable mag capacity to me since many pistols come with that capacity. Ignorant lawmaker will say: "why do you need 15 round mag for hunting?" I would say to them if you were cornered by a pack of 15 wolves you would understand.

As a side note I find it disgusting that lawmakers wait until a mass shooting to occur THEN try to push forward increased gun control. As a few weeks go by its no longer in the headlines, the bill quietly gets defeated, more time goes by then another mass shooting occurs then its rinse and repeat.

[fishngamereaper]

Mag capacity has nothing to do with these acts of violence.  I don't need a law telling me what style of mags I can or should own. Don't give them an inch they will want a mile.

Also think about it. You can do the same damage given the appropriate venue with a shotgun and double 00 buck.

[Tinmaniac]

Mag capacity has nothing to do with these acts of violence.  I don't need a law telling me what style of mags I can or should own. Don't give them an inch they will want a mile.

Also think about it. You can do the same damage given the appropriate venue with a shotgun and double 00 buck.

Not with a standard capacity shotgun and not from 300 yards away.With 22,000 people present and shooting at buckshot range,as soon as it was time to reload the shooter would be swarmed by an angry mob.

[Fl0und3rz]

The 2nd is not about hunting.
Period.
Brownshirts are always for disarming citizens.

Your right the 2nd amendment is not about hunting , But  . . . also when the 2nd was written there was not assault rifles or mass shooting,times are a changing ,laws will follow.
. . .

Governments also didn't have drones, rockets, jets, gps, mass surveillance capabilities, and a standing army.  That argument better serves ensuring equality of arms than it does further diminishing the Second Amendment.

[Fl0und3rz]

Mag capacity has nothing to do with these acts of violence.  I don't need a law telling me what style of mags I can or should own. Don't give them an inch they will want a mile.

Also think about it. You can do the same damage given the appropriate venue with a shotgun and double 00 buck.

Not with a standard capacity shotgun and not from 300 yards away.With 22,000 people present and shooting at buckshot range,as soon as it was time to reload the shooter would be swarmed by an angry mob.

Better outlaw private planes, heavy trucks, and flammable liquids while you're at it.

What firearms should we give up when these tools are used to commit mass murder?

[Airnip]

If revolutionary American's had not privately owned cannon; we would still be British subjects. Not American citizens. Whole point of the our Constitution is to protect "We the people" from over reaching government.

Our armed population is defense against foreign land invasion. There is already law against murder.

A clothes pin spring can substitute. Suppose bump stocks were illegal before this mass murder. No bump stocks. Forget it then?

He owned bomb making material found in his car. He also owned a private airplane. Aimed fire would have been much more efficient than spraying to enhance the body count.

Our government cannot protect us against this murderous sort of behavior. We need to be able to defend ourselves.

[Fl0und3rz]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/far-left-crank-dianne-feinstein-admits-no-law-stopped-vegas-shooter-video/

[Fl0und3rz]

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/10/05/townhalls-schlichter/

[Oh Mah]

Mag capacity has nothing to do with these acts of violence.  I don't need a law telling me what style of mags I can or should own. Don't give them an inch they will want a mile.

Also think about it. You can do the same damage given the appropriate venue with a shotgun and double 00 buck.

Not with a standard capacity shotgun and not from 300 yards away.With 22,000 people present and shooting at buckshot range,as soon as it was time to reload the shooter would be swarmed by an angry mob.

Better outlaw private planes, heavy trucks, and flammable liquids while you're at it.

What firearms should we give up when these tools are used to commit mass murder?

none. dont forget the cattle.Manure has been used to kill a lot of people.Matches,fuel of all kinds,hammers,knives of any kind.what i have learned from watching lockup we better add tooth brushes and combs to the list as well.