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Ghost fences
« on: October 23, 2017, 06:28:16 PM »
My English setter got pretty tore up on an ancient barbwire fence last weekend out grouse hunting on public land. $500 vet bill and out of commission for 10 to 14 days.

I know I'm not the first and won't be the last hunter to have his dog get hurt on that stuff, so what can we do about it?

There have to be thousands of miles of old fences on public land doing nothing to contain livestock. Has there ever been a movement to rip out these old ghost fences that sit on public parcels? Could a group of citizens work with DFW and DNR to go in and remove old fences?

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 06:39:43 PM »
sue the state...i'm sure if someone can get compensated for buying a cup of coffee from a fast food joint then turn around and sue them for it being too hot then the ASPCA should back you on this one....in all seriousness get a hold of the WDFW and you should be able to turn your efforts into a volunteer status situation that should fullfill your requirements to get your Advanced Hunter Ed status if that is what you desire
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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 06:42:40 PM »
Master hunters have been recovering fence on YTC, but they have a few thousand miles more to recover, before they are done.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2017, 07:33:25 AM »
sue the state...i'm sure if someone can get compensated for buying a cup of coffee from a fast food joint then turn around and sue them for it being too hot then the ASPCA should back you on this one....in all seriousness get a hold of the WDFW and you should be able to turn your efforts into a volunteer status situation that should fullfill your requirements to get your Advanced Hunter Ed status if that is what you desire

Yeah it worth a shot but it also seems like an impossible task, like counting sand at the beach. I'd guess that's why the state hasn't undertaken the effort.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 11:23:16 AM »
sue the state...i'm sure if someone can get compensated for buying a cup of coffee from a fast food joint then turn around and sue them for it being too hot then the ASPCA should back you on this one....in all seriousness get a hold of the WDFW and you should be able to turn your efforts into a volunteer status situation that should fullfill your requirements to get your Advanced Hunter Ed status if that is what you desire

Yeah it worth a shot but it also seems like an impossible task, like counting sand at the beach. I'd guess that's why the state hasn't undertaken the effort.

Sounds to me like a good way to get all State land that may have abandoned fence on it closed off to access. 

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 12:57:44 PM »
You can volunteer to clean up, work with the area manager and take your tractor down, pull it out and bingo. Fence gone. Did that at Cherry Valley with an old barbed wire fence.
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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 07:29:41 PM »
sue the state...i'm sure if someone can get compensated for buying a cup of coffee from a fast food joint then turn around and sue them for it being too hot then the ASPCA should back you on this one....in all seriousness get a hold of the WDFW and you should be able to turn your efforts into a volunteer status situation that should fullfill your requirements to get your Advanced Hunter Ed status if that is what you desire

Yeah it worth a shot but it also seems like an impossible task, like counting sand at the beach. I'd guess that's why the state hasn't undertaken the effort.

Sounds to me like a good way to get all State land that may have abandoned fence on it closed off to access.

I have no intention of suing the state but might inquire about volunteering to do some clean up/habitat improvement.
 

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 07:31:25 PM »
You can volunteer to clean up, work with the area manager and take your tractor down, pull it out and bingo. Fence gone. Did that at Cherry Valley with an old barbed wire fence.

Exactly what I was thinking Paul. Could either yard it all out with a tractor or cut it off in sections at the post junctions.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2017, 06:43:15 AM »
I hate the barbed wire, but I've taken to putting my dog in one of these to minimize the risk:

http://www.lcsupply.com/Protective-Safety-Vests-Hunting-Dog-Vests/products/155/
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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2017, 07:27:00 AM »
I hate the barbed wire, but I've taken to putting my dog in one of these to minimize the risk:

http://www.lcsupply.com/Protective-Safety-Vests-Hunting-Dog-Vests/products/155/
Thanks T-Bone, this one looks tougher than the one I have been using on my dog so going to give it a try.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2017, 05:45:59 PM »
I should have run him in his skid plate but I forgot. In this instance may not have helped, damage was on his arm and paw.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2017, 09:45:40 PM »
could care less about their chest. Barbed wire isn't going to do that much damage to warrant it. I worry about their eyes. Hell with a scratch on their chest. Barbs are tiny on wire.
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Ghost fences
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2017, 11:51:50 AM »
could care less about their chest. Barbed wire isn't going to do that much damage to warrant it. I worry about their eyes. Hell with a scratch on their chest. Barbs are tiny on wire.

Im not taking my chances, when my setter is running full speed hitting a wire is going to mess him up. Punctures are one thing and don't want to risk cuts/tears though muscle down to bone, internal injury, etc.
Sticks are another good reason to run a vest, Steve Smith from GunDog magazine lost his pointer to a stick in the chest, pierced the poor dogs heart.

The face on a fence is a scary thought, eyes, nose mouth. My buddy's lab broke a tooth hitting a wire fence.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2017, 02:03:37 PM »
I had to get my dog stitched up this spring running him around the umptaneum this last spring. Just a filet like cut but still needed stitches. Good idea to contact area manager and see if pulling out yourself would be fine. I might have to do the same. Another reason to get out haha. Hope your pup recovers fast
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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 03:20:49 PM »
I had to get my dog stitched up this spring running him around the umptaneum this last spring. Just a filet like cut but still needed stitches. Good idea to contact area manager and see if pulling out yourself would be fine. I might have to do the same. Another reason to get out haha. Hope your pup recovers fast

Thanks, stitches come out this week, hopefully he can hunt Sat. Sorry about your pup, I think it must be a very common injury to gun dogs.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2017, 04:16:23 PM »
The very last day of duck hunting last season, Chief my Chessie hit a babes wire full tilt that was hidden in the grass. He didn't get cut but because the fence was tight he pulled/tore something in his front shoulder... I thought that was it for him... but in July he finally started coming around and I have been able to hunt him this year. At 7 he is in his prime and I'm happy he healed up.

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2017, 07:04:15 PM »
We’ve already got a double dose of barbed wire this year!  No sooner did the one side heal up and she hits the other side.  Large cut on one requiring stitches and a puncture on the other.


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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 06:49:22 PM »
had a steer hit the barbwire with his teeth, the wire slid down the bottom set and peeled his bottom lip right along the mandible clear to the throat and it just flapped around. 



always worried a dog would do that
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

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Re: Ghost fences
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2017, 01:50:10 AM »
had a steer hit the barbwire with his teeth, the wire slid down the bottom set and peeled his bottom lip right along the mandible clear to the throat and it just flapped around. 



always worried a dog would do that

Poor fella.  :(

 

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