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14” shotguns
« on: December 23, 2017, 05:02:42 PM »
How are these new 14” shotguns legal?
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 05:29:14 PM »
They aren't long guns or pistols, they're "other firearms".  They have a short stock, if you put a normal stock on it then you're asking for trouble.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 05:33:42 PM »
Ugly

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 06:22:07 PM »
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 06:30:04 PM »
So because that’s not a pistol grip but it’s also not a traditional  stock its legal?
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 06:50:10 PM »
ridiculous huh  :chuckle:

but yup, skirting gun regulations this falls through the cracks so it gets picked up by the "all other firearms" rules.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 07:12:35 PM »
Have one with a side saddle(Rem870). Rides in the truck. Ever have to exit the truck in a bad situation. It comes first with 3" inch #4 buck. My handgun is my secondary. Serious stuff in close.

They serve a purpose.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 07:16:58 PM »
mossberg version

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 07:18:23 PM »
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 07:35:46 PM »
It doesn't seem like those would be enjoyable to shoot

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 07:36:58 PM »
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard

The shape of the grip is how they got it past the ATF. No matter what, your finger is jammed up behind the trigger guard after the first shot. If your going to shoot it for a session I highly suggest a good pair of shooting gloves.
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 08:12:26 PM »
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard
Wrist strap maybe?

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 08:31:06 PM »
wish they'd flair that grip more at the top, doesn't take long and your hand is bunched up behind the trigger guard
Wrist strap maybe?

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 09:20:35 PM »
It baffled my mind to. To make it worse you can buy one, but if you try to convert an old shotgun to this you're going to jail.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2017, 09:25:08 PM »
It baffled my mind to. To make it worse you can buy one, but if you try to convert an old shotgun to this you're going to jail.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2017, 09:32:56 PM »
I would like to know (for sure, not internet opinions) if we can carry it loaded in a vehicle or conceal it. 

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2017, 09:42:48 PM »
I would like to know (for sure, not internet opinions) if we can carry it loaded in a vehicle or conceal it.


No, you cannot carry it concealed or loaded in your truck.  To do so would put it in another classification of firearm, and trigger NFA. 
ATF say's that guns over 26" aren't generally concealable, until they're concealed.  The mossberg is 26.3 inches. 

The law doesn't state an exact overall length, but the 26 inches is a long held standard.  If too many people conceal the shockwave then that 26" standard could change to 27 inches for example.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-any

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2017, 09:55:30 PM »
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2017, 12:45:13 AM »
Have one with a side saddle(Rem870). Rides in the truck. Ever have to exit the truck in a bad situation. It comes first with 3" inch #4 buck. My handgun is my secondary. Serious stuff in close.

They serve a purpose.



I picked one of these up a couple months ago when Remington was offering a mail in rebate on all 870's.  They aren't all that expensive and with the rebate it was barely over $300. 

Figured I'd get one before the dems/libs jump all over them and make them illegal.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2017, 04:18:34 PM »
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2017, 08:28:25 AM »
I prefer the Serbu. Yeah, stamp, but more compact and maneuverable in tight.
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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2017, 03:00:33 PM »
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
There is some chatter out there that these may be legal to carry loaded in a vehicle. Washington law has some odd wording in it.
Since these are NOT considered long guns the rules don't apply to them.
Washington wording for pistols is different than the federal wording and it is something along the lines of "can't be fired from the shoulder' ...
I feel there is enough grey area between state and federal wording to allow it, but I certainly won't be the test case.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2017, 06:37:54 PM »
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
There is some chatter out there that these may be legal to carry loaded in a vehicle. Washington law has some odd wording in it.
Since these are NOT considered long guns the rules don't apply to them.
Washington wording for pistols is different than the federal wording and it is something along the lines of "can't be fired from the shoulder' ...
I feel there is enough grey area between state and federal wording to allow it, but I certainly won't be the test case.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2017, 07:20:31 PM »
No, you can't carry it concealed. You can't carry it loaded in a vehicle.

Most don't know but the fact is. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A LOADED LONG ARM IN A VEHICLE IN WASHINGTON STATE. Not in your own drive way, not out on your own ranch! Not on your own private property.

Seriously messed up state. That's the law!
There is some chatter out there that these may be legal to carry loaded in a vehicle. Washington law has some odd wording in it.
Since these are NOT considered long guns the rules don't apply to them.
Washington wording for pistols is different than the federal wording and it is something along the lines of "can't be fired from the shoulder' ...
I feel there is enough grey area between state and federal wording to allow it, but I certainly won't be the test case.

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I hear you... but I wouldn't want to be the test case...

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2017, 11:40:00 AM »
Have one with a side saddle(Rem870). Rides in the truck. Ever have to exit the truck in a bad situation. It comes first with 3" inch #4 buck. My handgun is my secondary. Serious stuff in close.

They serve a purpose.



how many rds - 4-5?

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2017, 11:57:15 AM »

how many rds - 4-5?

The Remington Tac-14 is 4+1  The Mossberg Shockwave is 5+1

I've read the Rem Tac-14 can be modified to hold 5 but I don't know that for a fact so it could just be internet BS.

I handled both before I bought one and to me the Remington had a much smoother action.

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Re: 14” shotguns
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2018, 11:16:46 AM »
I have the Mossberg with a sidesaddle and xs tritium big dot bead. Inside of 25-30 yards its alot of fun. The foolish thing actually throughs a decent pattern with flite control 00buck.
Practical accuracy and a packable rifle.
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