18 Bull points

[Bob33]

Eastside or Westside, Modern or Muzzleloader (I have multi-season elk): what permits would you consider applying for?

[Westside88]

I also have 18 points, unfortunately many people do. I know some will choose to apply only for the most sought after units, but with less than 1% draw odds it’s still unlikely. Personally I’ve made the decision to put in for the area I know best (still has good trophy potential, but probably not seen as top 10) and try and go kill a bull during a rut hunt. I saw a pretty good quote from Guy Eastman about not getting so caught up in points that you get “ point paralysis “

[Tbar]

Peaches, observatory,  or goose east rifle or white river west I don't think there are any real good choices.

[trophyhunt]

Pm sent.  But yes, the peaches, observatory, would be good choices.

[CarbonHunter]

Peaches, observatory,  or goose east rifle or white river west I don't think there are any real good choices.

All of these are terrible choices if you do not know the ground. Bull tags are not quality tags so you are best off hunting ground that you know holds bulls during the time of the hunt. I’ve seen a lot of people draw the peaches bull tag to just waste their time because it is not a given tag and you need to know where the bulls are in October. White river is mostly gated and over hunted by the tribe.

All of these units can be good if you know the ground at the time of the hunt but if you don’t just put in for what you do know.

[White Pass Outfitters]

Depends on what class of bull your looking for. If your just want a 320 bull any of those units have them and some 350 bulls. Its just a matter of doing your homework or hiring someone to do it for you. The tags are hard to come by and harder to swallow. I suggest having more than one plan just in case, could be another bad fire season.

[Stein]

I had a great time in Peaches, but I agree it isn’t an 18 point unit.


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[teanawayslayer]

Peaches, goose, and observatory are all good units. If you don’t know the units there is plenty of people on here that will point you in the right direction. Little scounting and you’ll find a good bull in any one of these units!

[Westside88]

I initially thought you were asking about quality Bull tags. With the “Bull” tags I think your best bet is an area you know, or are willing to spend some time learning. For the most part I’ve been putting in for points, because I don’t want to take the chance of drawing more than one tag. East side tags probably make the most sense, since it’s spike only without a special tag

[Tbar]

Depends on what class of bull your looking for. If your just want a 320 bull any of those units have them and some 350 bulls. Its just a matter of doing your homework or hiring someone to do it for you. The tags are hard to come by and harder to swallow. I suggest having more than one plan just in case, could be another bad fire season.

Just a 320? I'm all for harvesting mature animals but there's more to life than antler score.  You come across as to discount the hunt aspect of it. Many "dream" hunts end with less than 320 bulls. 

[teanawayslayer]

Depends on what class of bull your looking for. If your just want a 320 bull any of those units have them and some 350 bulls. Its just a matter of doing your homework or hiring someone to do it for you. The tags are hard to come by and harder to swallow. I suggest having more than one plan just in case, could be another bad fire season.

Just a 320? I'm all for harvesting mature animals but there's more to life than antler score.  You come across as to discount the hunt aspect of it. Many "dream" hunts end with less than 320 bulls.

very, very true

[Magnum_Willys]

I initially thought you were asking about quality Bull tags. With the “Bull” tags I think your best bet is an area you know, or are willing to spend some time learning. For the most part I’ve been putting in for points, because I don’t want to take the chance of drawing more than one tag. East side tags probably make the most sense, since it’s spike only without a special tag

Odds are 1:100 - don't worry about getting impossibly lucky twice in a year.............

[Naches Sportsman]

I'd pick a unit and go for it.

Elk hunting will be starting to go down hill in the central wa units. I had wolves on one of my cameras for the 2nd year in a row. There's wolves in all three of the areas someone mentioned in one of the posts. Peaches will be a blood bath once the wolves start figuring out where the elk are in the burn scar.

[wheels]

choose unit you know in and out  who knows what you could turn up  rather then new territory  IMO

[Skyvalhunter]

Try Montana

[Bob33]

Thank you to those who’ve contributed input, and PMs. Here are a few of my thoughts:

- I understand that odds of drawing a good permit with 18 points are still very low: around 3% to 5% for most of the hunts I’m considering. Having 18 points is sort of “no man’s land” where you don’t want to throw away the points on a mediocre hunt, but don’t really have enough to have excellent odds of drawing a quality permit - but still hold out hope you will. Given that, this is probably a “one and done” with Bull permits. I’ll probably not apply again once drawn.

- I care little about the size of the animal. I’m more concerned about the quality of the hunt than the animal. A quality hunt to me means good odds of seeing some animals and not being overrun by other hunters.

- I am considering applying in areas I’m not completely familiar with. If drawn I will do my homework.

Thanks again for the feedback.

[dreamingbig]

Eastside or Westside, Modern or Muzzleloader (I have multi-season elk): what permits would you consider applying for?

Your favorite!  Good luck and may the draw odds be with you!


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[White Pass Outfitters]

Depends on what class of bull your looking for. If your just want a 320 bull any of those units have them and some 350 bulls. Its just a matter of doing your homework or hiring someone to do it for you. The tags are hard to come by and harder to swallow. I suggest having more than one plan just in case, could be another bad fire season.

Just a 320? I'm all for harvesting mature animals but there's more to life than antler score.  You come across as to discount the hunt aspect of it. Many "dream" hunts end with less than 320 bulls.

very, very true
I believe I said depends on what your after, I do agree and always have said its about the hunt and not the size of the animal. I have killed 360+ Bulls and a lot smaller Bulls, and with saying that my most memorable hunt was with my Dad and brother and a 300 Bull. But as a Outfitter hunters are always asking % of kills and average size of the bulls we are taking.

[Falcon]

Depends on what class of bull your looking for. If your just want a 320 bull any of those units have them and some 350 bulls. Its just a matter of doing your homework or hiring someone to do it for you. The tags are hard to come by and harder to swallow. I suggest having more than one plan just in case, could be another bad fire season.

Just a 320? I'm all for harvesting mature animals but there's more to life than antler score.  You come across as to discount the hunt aspect of it. Many "dream" hunts end with less than 320 bulls.

 

[White Pass Outfitters]

What part of depends on what your after you guys dont understand. Falcon and Tbar

[trophyhunt]

If I see a 320 bull in wyoming it just might go down, my goal is to break 330, but 10'' wont disappoint me too much.  I don't think a lot of people understand how nice a 320'' bull is, good luck in the draw!

[HighCountryHunter88]

What kind of hunting do you want to do? More front country or more back country

[SkookumHntr]

I will have 23 bull points in the draw this year, and I always apply for the midrange draw odds hunts! Maybe 2018 will be my year! 

[Jimmy33]

Thank you to those who’ve contributed input, and PMs. Here are a few of my thoughts:

- I understand that odds of drawing a good permit with 18 points are still very low: around 3% to 5% for most of the hunts I’m considering. Having 18 points is sort of “no man’s land” where you don’t want to throw away the points on a mediocre hunt, but don’t really have enough to have excellent odds of drawing a quality permit - but still hold out hope you will. Given that, this is probably a “one and done” with Bull permits. I’ll probably not apply again once drawn.

- I care little about the size of the animal. I’m more concerned about the quality of the hunt than the animal. A quality hunt to me means good odds of seeing some animals and not being overrun by other hunters.

- I am considering applying in areas I’m not completely familiar with. If drawn I will do my homework.

Thanks again for the feedback.

In response to the above, I would look at a muzzleloader hunt rather than a rifle. Better time if year to find elk and less people running around. If it were me, I would pick the observatory Muzzy tag. It’s a fun hunt.


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[Bob33]

Thank you to those who’ve contributed input, and PMs. Here are a few of my thoughts:

- I understand that odds of drawing a good permit with 18 points are still very low: around 3% to 5% for most of the hunts I’m considering. Having 18 points is sort of “no man’s land” where you don’t want to throw away the points on a mediocre hunt, but don’t really have enough to have excellent odds of drawing a quality permit - but still hold out hope you will. Given that, this is probably a “one and done” with Bull permits. I’ll probably not apply again once drawn.

- I care little about the size of the animal. I’m more concerned about the quality of the hunt than the animal. A quality hunt to me means good odds of seeing some animals and not being overrun by other hunters.

- I am considering applying in areas I’m not completely familiar with. If drawn I will do my homework.

Thanks again for the feedback.

In response to the above, I would look at a muzzleloader hunt rather than a rifle. Better time if year to find elk and less people running around. If it were me, I would pick the observatory Muzzy tag. It’s a fun hunt.


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Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, the only Observatory hunt in the "Bull Elk" category is for Modern. The muzzleloader hunt is in "Quality".

[blackpowderhunter]

Thank you to those who’ve contributed input, and PMs. Here are a few of my thoughts:

- I understand that odds of drawing a good permit with 18 points are still very low: around 3% to 5% for most of the hunts I’m considering. Having 18 points is sort of “no man’s land” where you don’t want to throw away the points on a mediocre hunt, but don’t really have enough to have excellent odds of drawing a quality permit - but still hold out hope you will. Given that, this is probably a “one and done” with Bull permits. I’ll probably not apply again once drawn.

- I care little about the size of the animal. I’m more concerned about the quality of the hunt than the animal. A quality hunt to me means good odds of seeing some animals and not being overrun by other hunters.

- I am considering applying in areas I’m not completely familiar with. If drawn I will do my homework.

Thanks again for the feedback.

In response to the above, I would look at a muzzleloader hunt rather than a rifle. Better time if year to find elk and less people running around. If it were me, I would pick the observatory Muzzy tag. It’s a fun hunt.


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Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, the only Observatory hunt in the "Bull Elk" category is for Modern. The muzzleloader hunt is in "Quality".

did they take it away?  i thought before there was a muzzy bull tag that actually was good through the next weekend as well.

[MonstroMuley]

Try Montana

[Igottanewknee]

My daughter has 13 quality points..... yeah, she's 25...... any suggestions on that one?

[Magnum_Willys]

My daughter has 13 quality points..... yeah, she's 25...... any suggestions on that one?

Pray !  heh.  Put in for Toutle or Mudflow.   

[dscubame]

Good throw of bait Bob33