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And this is hardly a new campaign by the NPS. The difference this time is they want them ALL gone from the Olympic national parks.As described in Chapter 4, the 1990 estimate of goat numbers in the metapopulation (389 ± 106) was significantly lower than the 1983 estimate (1,175 ± 171). The smaller 1990 population resulted from removals by the National Park Service, perhaps combined with relatively more severe winters https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/science/25/chap14.htmSo assuming a 20% mortality rate as a result of severe winters, the NPS "removed" 630 mountain goats in 7 years between 1983 and 1990.
Quote from: Deerelk37 on May 06, 2018, 10:13:04 AMI just read this on the website and I just shake my head. I’m not sure how many goats reside or wander out of the park but 6 permits seems like a small number. Why not up the permits and get more hunters out there and save us some tax dollars from multiple helicopter trips. I’m not sure how effective it would be but I’m tired of reading about wolves, elk and now goats being killed on our dime instead of using hunters. The real question is if the NPS has been trying to eradicate the goats out of the of the Olympic national park and the surrounding NFS area bordering it for decades, why haven't more tags been made available by WDFW to hunt goats in the NFS area around the park for decades where it is legal to hunt? Their proposed plan now calls for eradicating all goats in the park and NFS areas surrounding the park.
I just read this on the website and I just shake my head. I’m not sure how many goats reside or wander out of the park but 6 permits seems like a small number. Why not up the permits and get more hunters out there and save us some tax dollars from multiple helicopter trips. I’m not sure how effective it would be but I’m tired of reading about wolves, elk and now goats being killed on our dime instead of using hunters.
Quote from: 520backyard on May 06, 2018, 10:26:45 AMQuote from: Deerelk37 on May 06, 2018, 10:13:04 AMI just read this on the website and I just shake my head. I’m not sure how many goats reside or wander out of the park but 6 permits seems like a small number. Why not up the permits and get more hunters out there and save us some tax dollars from multiple helicopter trips. I’m not sure how effective it would be but I’m tired of reading about wolves, elk and now goats being killed on our dime instead of using hunters. The real question is if the NPS has been trying to eradicate the goats out of the of the Olympic national park and the surrounding NFS area bordering it for decades, why haven't more tags been made available by WDFW to hunt goats in the NFS area around the park for decades where it is legal to hunt? Their proposed plan now calls for eradicating all goats in the park and NFS areas surrounding the park. Of the 6 tags issued in 2017, only 4 were filled. One unit averaged 9 hunter days, the other 4. They're not easy tags to fill, even though they encourage you to shoot the first goat you see. It would be interesting to find out if any of the hunters were trying to shoot billies. Regardless, they're not going to put more tags out if the ones they have now aren't getting filled. Based on that stat, these hunts aren't doing what they're intended to do.
I know, it seems silly to argue that point. Its that way with sooo many animals etc. Its not like its a Cape Buffalo in the Oly Park. What would they do with the birds and insects? They are native species period. To many hikers getting chased, bottom line. Madness imop. Instead we will run em out, wait for an extinction and libs to cry and then introduce em to a "Great" ecosystem for em to thrive.
Quote from: jackelope on May 07, 2018, 09:20:35 AMQuote from: 520backyard on May 06, 2018, 10:26:45 AMQuote from: Deerelk37 on May 06, 2018, 10:13:04 AMI just read this on the website and I just shake my head. I’m not sure how many goats reside or wander out of the park but 6 permits seems like a small number. Why not up the permits and get more hunters out there and save us some tax dollars from multiple helicopter trips. I’m not sure how effective it would be but I’m tired of reading about wolves, elk and now goats being killed on our dime instead of using hunters. The real question is if the NPS has been trying to eradicate the goats out of the of the Olympic national park and the surrounding NFS area bordering it for decades, why haven't more tags been made available by WDFW to hunt goats in the NFS area around the park for decades where it is legal to hunt? Their proposed plan now calls for eradicating all goats in the park and NFS areas surrounding the park. Of the 6 tags issued in 2017, only 4 were filled. One unit averaged 9 hunter days, the other 4. They're not easy tags to fill, even though they encourage you to shoot the first goat you see. It would be interesting to find out if any of the hunters were trying to shoot billies. Regardless, they're not going to put more tags out if the ones they have now aren't getting filled. Based on that stat, these hunts aren't doing what they're intended to do.66% percent success rate sounds pretty good to me especially compared to elk and deer hunts? Why not factor the success rate in to the number of tags and desired harvest rate? Just like any other hunt is supposed to be-100 tags! maybe get 65 goats handled hunters are happy and the state MAKES money I guess that makes too much sense and greenies don't like when people pay to have fun killing an animal. Plus they actually eat it and might even preserve the hide and antlers for (god forbid) a trophy on their wall! They only want paid professionals that just do the killing for a living damnit! They don't want to see some redneck pay for the privilege and possibly get some enjoyment out of it and use the animal for horrific things like feed his family and preserve the memory with a mount. Montana used hunters to get rid of a sheep herd and I don't think the success rate was great percentage wise but it kinda made more sense.
9 seemed like a lot of days to me. It was the highest average days/kill in 2017. The only reason I mention that is because guys make it sound like it would be easy to just walk in there and shoot one. An average of 9 days is a lot of days especially when you're supposed to be culling goats shooting the first one you see. 4, I agree, is easy peasy. Makes it seem like it's not as easy as maybe some think.
https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7491&context=etd
Quote from: Bob33 on May 07, 2018, 02:58:24 PMhttps://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7491&context=etdPublic opinion once saved the mountain goats in ONP. Let's hope it happens again. I am working on doing my part through various different avenues of approach. Plan B (relocation)it's the only choice!!!!!!