Lion attack in North bend?

[KFhunter]

Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.

It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.

Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle.  The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.

Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.

Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.

@Bob33   

This might have something to do with it. 

Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they."
Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.

She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they",  just a guess.

[jackelope]

[Bob33]

Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.

It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.

Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle.  The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.

Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.

Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.

@Bob33   

This might have something to do with it. 

Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they." Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.

She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they",  just a guess.

Interesting. Thanks.

[CarbonHunter]

As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.

And as prey animals disappear this will happen more and more.  Loss of fear, and an easy meal.   Bad combination

I think the lack of prey animals may have played into the issues of cougar attacks. This animal was 30-40 pounds underweight for its age and is in an area where the habit is poor and prey animals are limited. There has been similar attacks in California against hikers and bikers where there is insufficient preys animals and it appears that bikers and hikers that don’t confront cougars often appear to be prey.

[bearpaw]

And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.

I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better

A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.

I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.

Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.

I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.

I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:

Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)

Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?

The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.

Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!

How many live in WA compared to ID?

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There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.



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That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?

[CAMPMEAT]

No matter what, what a horrible accident to happen to both. I honestly believe these two didn't have a clue about cougars, as most people don't.

I truly hope both families will heal from such a tragedy, I know I'd have a helluva time doing so. 


RIP Ms. Brooks

[jstone]

Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friend

[CAMPMEAT]

Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friend

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Me neither...........

[olyguy79]

And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.

I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better

A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.

I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.

Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.

I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.

I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:

Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)

Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?

The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.

Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!

How many live in WA compared to ID?

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There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.



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That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?

More people in the woods is more potential for an attack.

I don't disagree about conditioning cougars to fear humans, but I'd say it's also a stretch to say you could condition every cougar.

No matter what there eill always be potential for an animal vs. Person attack. Doesn't matter if it's cougar vs human or deer vs human.

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[idaho guy]

As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.

And as prey animals disappear this will happen more and more.  Loss of fear, and an easy meal.   Bad combination

I think the lack of prey animals may have played into the issues of cougar attacks. This animal was 30-40 pounds underweight for its age and is in an area where the habit is poor and prey animals are limited. There has been similar attacks in California against hikers and bikers where there is insufficient preys animals and it appears that bikers and hikers that don’t confront cougars often appear to be prey.

So Washington is starting to have lion attacks like California?
Interesting the original state to ban hounds has been having attacks like this for years. and in both states usually the the lion is caught and killed with dogs anyways. Maybe the lack of prey has to do with too many cats? This is a shame and my prayers are with the families. But there’s No way hound hunting wouldn’t reduce these incidents. Hound hunting won’t eliminate problem cats but you will definitely have LESS.Too many cats and a lack of fear for humans is going to lead to more problem cats. Not political just commen sense. It’s a sad deal either way

[Gringo31]

I hope people can learn from others mistakes.  An ounce of prevention......

[Oh Mah]

  agreed 100% it is ridiculous in this day in age in this state especially to try to defend the gov. of this nanny state that runs this state like a day care making anything and everything that is shy of the healthiest safest possible way of doing anything illegal that doing something like letting hounds men train cougars to be afraid of people again. 

[Fl0und3rz]

RIP. Condolences to the family and friends. You are responsible for your own safety and security. 

[CAMPMEAT]

Dialing 9-1-1 is nothing more than a government sponsored DIAL-A-PRAYER............

[Rob]

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Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friend

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Me neither...........

Nor I.  However if I was down being mauled Nd my wife was near me I would be yelling at her to get clear.  Sounds like something like that happened.  However after the cat dropped the guy and went after the gal, it sounds like he left for help.  Not sure I would have done that, but I was not there and do not know the circumstances.  Easy to play armchair QB. 

Personally I would rather be carrying pepper spray than a gun in a situation like that.