Lion attack in North bend?

[KFhunter]

See reply #135 to Bob33

@  Bob33   

This might have something to do with it. 

Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they." Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.

She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they",  just a guess.

Not that is has any bearing on the attack, but it might help allay some of the suspicion and confusion why they keep getting the gender wrong in the news stories. 

[bobcat]

See reply #135 to Bob33

@  Bob33   

This might have something to do with it. 

Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they." Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.

She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they",  just a guess.

Not that is has any bearing on the attack, but it might help allay some of the suspicion and confusion why they keep getting the gender wrong in the news stories.

Okay, I missed that post. Makes a little more sense but that's just dumb.

[JimmyHoffa]

Cougar being a cougar.  Reduce their numbers and you get less stalking and attacks.

[Okanagan]

With hindsight we can see things that the victims apparently didn't in the stress of the critical seconds. 

Had the two stayed together it seems that they would have had a better chance of defending themselves and maybe getting the animal to abandon the attack.  It can only bite one at a time so the other could kick, hit, whack with a rock or even a bike.  There are a number of such cases in British Columbia, like the one where a mother beat a cougar with her fists etc. till the lion abandoned its attack on her child and ran away.  If attacked when with a partner, I hope we stick together and fight together. 

Re defending oneself:  my experience with calling and tracking cougars makes me think that if a cat really wants to kill a human, it probably can, no matter how the human is armed.

 I've been followed and stalked many times, as close as 21 feet, yet have never seen those cats, only found tracks in snow etc. afterwards.  None of these are counting cougars that were coming to a call sound.  In areas with some brush or other cover there is an extremely small chance that the human will detect a sneaky lion in time to use even a handgun or spray.  My read of cougar kills on deer in snow have shown that the cat makes contact with the victim usually within two touches of the ground, usually on the first bound.  My senses are not as good as a deer's.  Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims.  Spray or gun would have been invaluable in this and similar cases.

Added opinion based on field experience:  Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him. 

[olyguy79]

And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.

I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better

A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.

I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.

Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.

I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.

I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:

Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)

Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?

The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.

Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!

How many live in WA compared to ID?

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There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.



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That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?

More people in the woods is more potential for an attack.

I don't disagree about conditioning cougars to fear humans, but I'd say it's also a stretch to say you could condition every cougar.

No matter what there eill always be potential for an animal vs. Person attack. Doesn't matter if it's cougar vs human or deer vs human.

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I never said you could condition every cougar, that is not possible due to the many roadless areas. There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. In an area with much access most cougar would get conditioned by hound hunters if there was a season. I think I read that cougar was 3 to 4 years old, if there was still hound hunting or a pursuit season there is a pretty good chance that cougar could have been conditioned prior to this incident. If there was still a hound hunting take season there is a pretty good chance that cougar would not have existed that close to town.

I've hunted that land my entire life. There's always been cougars there.

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[mulehunter]

People in west has NO education period!
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now. 

Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!

Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.

[KFhunter]

With hindsight we can see things that the victims apparently didn't in the stress of the critical seconds. 

Had the two stayed together it seems that they would have had a better chance of defending themselves and maybe getting the animal to abandon the attack.  It can only bite one at a time so the other could kick, hit, whack with a rock or even a bike.  There are a number of such cases in British Columbia, like the one where a mother beat a cougar with her fists etc. till the lion abandoned its attack on her child and ran away.  If attacked when with a partner, I hope we stick together and fight together. 

Re defending oneself:  my experience with calling and tracking cougars makes me think that if a cat really wants to kill a human, it probably can, no matter how the human is armed.

 I've been followed and stalked many times, as close as 21 feet, yet have never seen those cats, only found tracks in snow etc. afterwards.  None of these are counting cougars that were coming to a call sound.  In areas with some brush or other cover there is an extremely small chance that the human will detect a sneaky lion in time to use even a handgun or spray.  My read of cougar kills on deer in snow have shown that the cat makes contact with the victim usually within two touches of the ground, usually on the first bound.  My senses are not as good as a deer's.  Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims.  Spray or gun would have been invaluable in this and similar cases.

Added opinion based on field experience:  Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him.

"Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims"

It's called prey testing as humans are outside of their normal prey species, they need educated at this point or it could turn deadly, it's not the time to go running and screaming. 

[jackelope]

Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.

It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.

Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle.  The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.

Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.

Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.

Yes, it's really strange that even in the most recent news articles, they never use the words "she," "her," or "woman" when referring to the person who was killed. I can't find anything that says a woman was killed by a cougar. I don't get it. Why the secrecy?

Maybe she didn't identify as a woman? 

I'm pretty sure, based on what I've read, that the person killed chooses to identify as a male, or maybe undetermined? Or maybe it's called something different. It's over my head either way.

"their"

[Knocker of rocks]

People in west has NO education period!
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now. 

Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!

Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.

I Think Your Calender Of Events Is All Off.  Probably Something The Westside Liberals Did To Your Calender In 1996

[mulehunter]

People in west has NO education period!
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now. 

Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!

Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.

I Think Your Calender Of Events Is All Off.  Probably Something The Westside Liberals Did To Your Calender In 1996

I already know that about 1996.... etc 🤦🏼‍♂️ My whole Point is the March 2011 Cougar Drawing Cougar hunting permits Voted to STOP in March 2011. The Coon season with hounds season hasn't banned yet. 

Lots of Coons Houndmen has been chase coons and end up trees Bears, Cougars, etc by accidents all the times in wood for YEARS YEARS even after 1996, and Houndman don't shoot illegally, but take dogs away and go other places and Reg season with Hounds chase Coyotes got banned JUST few years before March 2011
Again, All Coon hunters START to quit everything March 2011-May 2018  I sold everything right after State Banned Pursuit Cougars.

[boneaddict]

I can think of no reason you leave a buddy behind, not when his vehicle breaks down, not in a bar fight, going through a rough patch in life, and for damn sure not when something is trying to kill them!!!!

Im with you man. 

[boneaddict]

With hindsight we can see things that the victims apparently didn't in the stress of the critical seconds. 

Had the two stayed together it seems that they would have had a better chance of defending themselves and maybe getting the animal to abandon the attack.  It can only bite one at a time so the other could kick, hit, whack with a rock or even a bike.  There are a number of such cases in British Columbia, like the one where a mother beat a cougar with her fists etc. till the lion abandoned its attack on her child and ran away.  If attacked when with a partner, I hope we stick together and fight together. 

Re defending oneself:  my experience with calling and tracking cougars makes me think that if a cat really wants to kill a human, it probably can, no matter how the human is armed.

 I've been followed and stalked many times, as close as 21 feet, yet have never seen those cats, only found tracks in snow etc. afterwards.  None of these are counting cougars that were coming to a call sound.  In areas with some brush or other cover there is an extremely small chance that the human will detect a sneaky lion in time to use even a handgun or spray.  My read of cougar kills on deer in snow have shown that the cat makes contact with the victim usually within two touches of the ground, usually on the first bound.  My senses are not as good as a deer's.  Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims.  Spray or gun would have been invaluable in this and similar cases.

Added opinion based on field experience:  Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him.

Its how I always figured Id go out, and odds are Ill never know its coming.  Ive had many encounters.  I could write a book.   As KF has noted, Ive been prey tested multiple times, and thankfully Ive always made the sale.  "Im not worth it"

[mulehunter]

I can think of no reason you leave a buddy behind, not when his vehicle breaks down, not in a bar fight, going through a rough patch in life, and for damn sure not when something is trying to kill them!!!!

Im with you man.

   Agreed 1,000%

[2MANY]

True dat!!!!!!!

Identifying as dead is not a choice I willingly care to support for myself or my loved ones.

[jackelope]

So my kid's school in Duvall is locked down right now because there was a lion in the cow pasture in front of her school a little bit ago.