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Quote from: KFhunter on August 02, 2018, 02:50:37 PMWolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police. Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone? Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land? I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate? Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside? @bigtex ?
Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police. Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)
Quote from: jackelope on August 02, 2018, 03:16:17 PMQuote from: KFhunter on August 02, 2018, 02:50:37 PMWolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police. Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone? Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land? I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate? Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside? @bigtex ?
Quote from: KFhunter on August 02, 2018, 04:30:41 PMQuote from: jackelope on August 02, 2018, 03:16:17 PMQuote from: KFhunter on August 02, 2018, 02:50:37 PMWolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police. Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone? Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land? I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate? Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside? @bigtex ?By all means...lets have wolfbait clear this up. Based on his numerous previous statements, it's not a leap to think he is saying that wolf attacks are swept under the rug and nobody looks into them if they happen in Idaho. Everybody knows this is a ridiculous claim, but coming from someone who perpetuates widely discredited conspiracies (e.g. Chemtrails) I truly don't know if wolfbait is simply providing a nuanced fact that is trivial to the discussion or if he is purporting some broad conspiracy by the government to hide wolf attacks. My money is on the latter.
I think an attack that is 'in-progress' is different than something where the problem animal has already moved on.
Quote from: jackelope on August 02, 2018, 03:16:17 PMQuote from: KFhunter on August 02, 2018, 02:50:37 PMWolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police. Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone? Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land? I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate? Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside? @bigtex ?For wildlife attacks the state (WDFW) is the lead agency.For domestic animals it is the city/county that is responsible.Snoqualmie-North Bend PD did not respond as it was outside city limits. King County SO did respond, but it's WDFW's case. Quite simply, local law enforcement isn't trained in wildlife attacks, the responding deputies may not know the difference between a cougar and a Siberian tiger.As far as the feds go they will certainly be notified but they are spread thin and WDFW officers are deputized as USFWS LEOs.
Quote from: bigtex on August 02, 2018, 06:39:59 PMQuote from: jackelope on August 02, 2018, 03:16:17 PMQuote from: KFhunter on August 02, 2018, 02:50:37 PMWolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police. Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone? Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land? I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate? Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside? @bigtex ?For wildlife attacks the state (WDFW) is the lead agency.For domestic animals it is the city/county that is responsible.Snoqualmie-North Bend PD did not respond as it was outside city limits. King County SO did respond, but it's WDFW's case. Quite simply, local law enforcement isn't trained in wildlife attacks, the responding deputies may not know the difference between a cougar and a Siberian tiger.As far as the feds go they will certainly be notified but they are spread thin and WDFW officers are deputized as USFWS LEOs.Your statement about deputies not knowing the difference between a cougar attack of wolf attack isn't true. A friend of mine that is a Stevens County Detective was trained in the difference between a cougar attack/kill and a wolf attack/kill on domestic animals at the McGirvins.
There are less than 20 sheriffs deputies in WA trained on wildlife attacks. There are several thousand sheriffs deputies in WA.
How much common sense does it take for any LE officer to be able to investigate a threat? Be it a dog, wolf, thug, terrorist...........to tell the internet crowd that only 20 LEO's here are "trained" in dealing with wildlife attacks is laughable at best. Also, to think any local sheriffs office wouldn't investigate any threat to a person's life when they call in, 30 foot up a tree, is laughable as well. Come on folks, where is this thread really headed? It's pretty silly to argue that the Sheriffs Office is out of line at all.After all, they pretty "trump" all other agencies in their jurisdiction, right? No pun intended