Wolves tree DNR worker in Okanogan county

[KFhunter]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

As we've seen in this thread the water can be a little muddy with who's investigating what and whom. 

[idahohuntr]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

By all means...lets have wolfbait clear this up. 

Based on his numerous previous statements, it's not a leap to think he is saying that wolf attacks are swept under the rug and nobody looks into them if they happen in Idaho.  Everybody knows this is a ridiculous claim, but coming from someone who perpetuates widely discredited conspiracies (e.g. Chemtrails) I truly don't know if wolfbait is simply providing a nuanced fact that is trivial to the discussion or if he is purporting some broad conspiracy by the government to hide wolf attacks.  My money is on the latter.   

[KFhunter]

chemtrails?


Wolfbait must be living rent free in your head, obviously you read a lot more of his threads than I do 

[buglebrush]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

I believe in this case WDFW's desire to cover up/reduce the incident when someone's life was possibly at stake and appropriate mistrust if their actions in general regarding wolves is the cause of police investigation.  Trying to compare a black bear and Wolf is apples & oranges.

[buglebrush]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

By all means...lets have wolfbait clear this up. 

Based on his numerous previous statements, it's not a leap to think he is saying that wolf attacks are swept under the rug and nobody looks into them if they happen in Idaho.  Everybody knows this is a ridiculous claim, but coming from someone who perpetuates widely discredited conspiracies (e.g. Chemtrails) I truly don't know if wolfbait is simply providing a nuanced fact that is trivial to the discussion or if he is purporting some broad conspiracy by the government to hide wolf attacks.  My money is on the latter.

There's plenty of predator incidents covered up in Idaho, because many locals simply SSS. 

[bigtex]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

For wildlife attacks the state (WDFW) is the lead agency.
For domestic animals it is the city/county that is responsible.

Snoqualmie-North Bend PD did not respond as it was outside city limits. King County SO did respond, but it's WDFW's case. Quite simply, local law enforcement isn't trained in wildlife attacks, the responding deputies may not know the difference between a cougar and a Siberian tiger.

As far as the feds go they will certainly be notified but they are spread thin and WDFW officers are deputized as USFWS LEOs.

[JimmyHoffa]

I think an attack that is 'in-progress' is different than something where the problem animal has already moved on. 

[bigtex]

I think an attack that is 'in-progress' is different than something where the problem animal has already moved on.

In terms of LE response sure, everybody and their brother should be responding to an attack in progress.. But the investigating agency will still be WDFW.

[CAMPMEAT]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

For wildlife attacks the state (WDFW) is the lead agency.
For domestic animals it is the city/county that is responsible.

Snoqualmie-North Bend PD did not respond as it was outside city limits. King County SO did respond, but it's WDFW's case. Quite simply, local law enforcement isn't trained in wildlife attacks, the responding deputies may not know the difference between a cougar and a Siberian tiger.

As far as the feds go they will certainly be notified but they are spread thin and WDFW officers are deputized as USFWS LEOs.

Your statement about deputies not knowing the difference between a cougar attack of wolf attack isn't true. A friend of mine that is a Stevens County Detective was trained in the difference between a cougar attack/kill and a wolf attack/kill on domestic animals at the McGirvins.

[bigtex]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

For wildlife attacks the state (WDFW) is the lead agency.
For domestic animals it is the city/county that is responsible.

Snoqualmie-North Bend PD did not respond as it was outside city limits. King County SO did respond, but it's WDFW's case. Quite simply, local law enforcement isn't trained in wildlife attacks, the responding deputies may not know the difference between a cougar and a Siberian tiger.

As far as the feds go they will certainly be notified but they are spread thin and WDFW officers are deputized as USFWS LEOs.

Your statement about deputies not knowing the difference between a cougar attack of wolf attack isn't true. A friend of mine that is a Stevens County Detective was trained in the difference between a cougar attack/kill and a wolf attack/kill on domestic animals at the McGirvins.

Yes some deputies have been trained on wolf/cougar attacks, specifically those counties in NE WA. But that is it, it's not taught at the police academy. And no King County deputies have gone thru the training.

I also didn't see where I said every single deputy wouldn't know the difference between a tiger and a cougar, obviously some would know. There's a well known story from a couple years ago about a deputy who called WDFW about a deer issue but didn't know the difference between a buck and a doe.

[olyguy79]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

For wildlife attacks the state (WDFW) is the lead agency.
For domestic animals it is the city/county that is responsible.

Snoqualmie-North Bend PD did not respond as it was outside city limits. King County SO did respond, but it's WDFW's case. Quite simply, local law enforcement isn't trained in wildlife attacks, the responding deputies may not know the difference between a cougar and a Siberian tiger.

As far as the feds go they will certainly be notified but they are spread thin and WDFW officers are deputized as USFWS LEOs.

Your statement about deputies not knowing the difference between a cougar attack of wolf attack isn't true. A friend of mine that is a Stevens County Detective was trained in the difference between a cougar attack/kill and a wolf attack/kill on domestic animals at the McGirvins.

There are less than 20 sheriffs deputies in WA trained on wildlife attacks. There are several thousand sheriffs deputies in WA.

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[Alpine Mojo]

There are less than 20 sheriffs deputies in WA trained on wildlife attacks. There are several thousand sheriffs deputies in WA.

Bazinga!

[MtnMuley]

How much common sense does it take for any LE officer to be able to investigate a threat? Be it a dog, wolf, thug, terrorist...........to tell the internet crowd that only 20 LEO's here are "trained" in dealing with wildlife attacks is laughable at best. Also, to think any local sheriffs office wouldn't investigate any threat to a person's life when they call in, 30 foot up a tree,  is laughable as well.

Come on folks, where is this thread really headed?  It's pretty silly to argue that the Sheriffs Office is out of line at all.After all, they pretty  "trump" all other agencies in their jurisdiction, right?    No pun intended

[bigtex]

How much common sense does it take for any LE officer to be able to investigate a threat? Be it a dog, wolf, thug, terrorist...........to tell the internet crowd that only 20 LEO's here are "trained" in dealing with wildlife attacks is laughable at best. Also, to think any local sheriffs office wouldn't investigate any threat to a person's life when they call in, 30 foot up a tree,  is laughable as well.

Come on folks, where is this thread really headed?  It's pretty silly to argue that the Sheriffs Office is out of line at all.After all, they pretty  "trump" all other agencies in their jurisdiction, right?    No pun intended

We're not talking about "threats" we're talking about the actual attack. Ok you have a body (human or animal) what killed it?

Of course the sheriff's office should respond to an attack, especially one in progress, but they're not going to be the lead agency especially once the attack is over and the actual investigation occurs.

If you take someone who's never been involved with wildlife in their life do you think they'd be able to 100% decipher a wolf attack from a cougar, or a bear or a dog? Of course not. Are there deputies that hunt? Sure. Are there lots that don't hunt? Of course!

As far as attacking the "training" aspect welcome to government. When an attack occurs and someone gets sued and the investigating deputy is on the witness stand and it turns out the only training in wildlife attacks is being a hunter, growing up in the woods, do you think that's going to go well for him? That's like saying you shouldn't have to go to a police academy, just watch 6 months of the show cops.

[MtnMuley]

I do agree with that last statement, bigtex.