Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[PlateauNDN]

They probably didnt until the decision was made. We dont have to ask nor are we required to ask.

Some on here remind me very much like what's going on right now in this country. Liberal, tree hugging bunny lover social justice warrior snowflakes telling another group that the rights on an old document from hundreds of years ago should be done with, it's not needed and therefore should not have that right anymore and heres the ones affected by it that support it saying yes we do, because it's our right as written and agreed upon.

What's the difference? If I cant have my rights as agreed upon by an old piece of paper by old guys not here anymore then why should you have yours?

Now, dont let that confuse you about me personally, I'm not a Democrat nor do I want to see my 2A rights taken away either.

[sled]

But you’re not a tribal member.

unlucky for everyone.  I now identify myself as a native tribal member.  Stay tuned.

[sled]

I hear ya. But dont forget to walk a mile. It probably gets old for them too. Anyways this has been a good thread all in all. I know Ive learned a lot. Thanks to those who have contributed good info and those who have shared their frustrations respectfully.

hairtrigger is still here!

[sled]

Im sure all non native hunters would love equality but thats not the law.

this is one of the best examples of non white privalge taunting.  Well done.

[tlbradford]

They probably didnt until the decision was made. We dont have to ask nor are we required to ask.

Some on here remind me very much like what's going on right now in this country. Liberal, tree hugging bunny lover social justice warrior snowflakes telling another group that the rights on an old document from hundreds of years ago should be done with, it's not needed and therefore should not have that right anymore and heres the ones affected by it that support it saying yes we do, because it's our right as written and agreed upon.

What's the difference? If I cant have my rights as agreed upon by an old piece of paper by old guys not here anymore then why should you have yours?

Now, dont let that confuse you about me personally, I'm not a Democrat nor do I want to see my 2A rights taken away either.

Most of us could care less about the "rights" argument.  Where we get pissed off is overhunting of a limited resource that results in a loss of opportunity for all groups.  What biologist from the tribe determined this harvest number is sustainable and ethical?  Your whole "rights" argument is *censored*.  There is not a limited number of guns, speech, voting, etc.  This is about ethical and responsible management of our fish and wildlife and that is why there is anger towards the decisions being made by tribes.

[PlateauNDN]

So you're saying 1 right should be held to a higher standard then another? Oh okay. That sounds about right.

My right that's outdated is not as important as everyone else's on a much older document. Yeah I get it. Guys dont like the abuse but when you're calling for rights to be taken away and done with because they're old and nobody was here when they were agreed upon is not any different then the 2A argument.

Some want to take my rights just like the libs want to take theirs.........

[huntnfmly]

They probably didnt until the decision was made. We dont have to ask nor are we required to ask.

Some on here remind me very much like what's going on right now in this country. Liberal, tree hugging bunny lover social justice warrior snowflakes telling another group that the rights on an old document from hundreds of years ago should be done with, it's not needed and therefore should not have that right anymore and heres the ones affected by it that support it saying yes we do, because it's our right as written and agreed upon.

What's the difference? If I cant have my rights as agreed upon by an old piece of paper by old guys not here anymore then why should you have yours?

Now, dont let that confuse you about me personally, I'm not a Democrat nor do I want to see my 2A rights taken away either.

Most of us could care less about the "rights" argument.  Where we get pissed off is overhunting of a limited resource that results in a loss of opportunity for all groups.  What biologist from the tribe determined this harvest number is sustainable and ethical?  Your whole "rights" argument is *censored*.  There is not a limited number of guns, speech, voting, etc.  This is about ethical and responsible management of our fish and wildlife and that is why there is anger towards the decisions being made by tribes.

[PlateauNDN]

So the argument now is the small group of those that abuse the right, take advantage of the right and exploit the right and you choose to take it out on the rest of us that follow the laws, follow the rights and dont cause the pain and anguish that the small user group does to the whole group?

Sounds like the same argument that the left is pushing. Take the right because a small user group is ruining it for the rest.

[grundy53]

So the argument now is the small group of those that abuse the right, take advantage of the right and exploit the right and you choose to take it out on the rest of us that follow the laws, follow the rights and dont cause the pain and anguish that the small user group does to the whole group?

Sounds like the same argument that the left is pushing. Take the right because a small user group is ruining it for the rest.

  Your analogy is weak. Yes we enjoy our 2A rights. However it's not a free for all. There are still laws pertaining to it. I can't just go down to the gas station and buy a fully automatic rifle. Also, if I abuse my god given second ammendment rights they take them away. Do they take away the hunting rights of the few in your tribe who abuse them? Didn't think so. We want you to actually police your own.

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[trophyhunt]

   that is what we are talking about, the excessive abuse plat, you for one should know this. You have tried to change things within your tribe.  The elders look past selling wild game, taking excessive numbers of animals, you have tried and failed. So I hope you don’t think we or I want your treaties gone, we just want cooperation and to work together so our herds don’t suffer.  You have to admit that ZERO limits on deer and elk are seriously offensive and wrong. Hope to see you soon in the woods, just a few weeks away.

[meatwhack]

Bringing the 2nd Amendment into this as a comparison is BS and totally unrelated. The 2nd Amendment was put in place as a check and balance to keep the government from getting out of control as had happened in other countries. The hunting portion of these treaties was to guarantee the availability of hunting grounds for what at the time was subsidence hunting. What’s happening now is a far cry from subsidence hunting.

[nwhunter]

Everytime one of these hunting/tribal subjects that highlights the inequality of the situation shows up on here its page after page of this never ending argument. I read it and don't say much because it turns into a race issue and while most or none of us are racists just passionant outdoorsman that want our kids and grandkids to be able to enjoy the outdoors like we do. As a mature non native man I understand not all things are fair and equal never has been never will be. Things change over time. Our history doesn't lie and we used to have the right to own slaves and kill unlimited numbers of buffalo and wild game to mention just a couple.. Heck a dispute could be settled in the street with a gunfight and one guy could be dead and the other could go home and not to jail... Times change and a civilization that realizes that and wants to sustain what they have or do better makes change either by law or self restraint and judgement. I am not jealous one bit of what native hunters and fisherman get to do because I see the result of non restraint when given basically an open season. I see it where I live on the Olympic Peninsula , the Blue Mountains and now this sheep hunt in the Swakane. There are plenty of native sportsman I know and are very good people and I respect but times change and we need to protect our wildlife and our opportunity to enjoy what we do. If all the tags(native and non native draw and auction) are filled on mature rams in the Swakane I predict there won't be any tags next year , how does that sound?
There are multiple problems that are leading to the demise of our wildlife but the biggest in my mind is that as times change and human population grows and technology continues to put fish and wildlife at a huge disadvantage we all must show restraint and make change whether its our right or not. Lastly don't even think about saying I don't understand or I'm a racist or I will post a pic of my family of adopted kids of all colors even one that is native enough to have a card but doesn't 

[grundy53]

Everytime one of these hunting/tribal subjects that highlights the inequality of the situation shows up on here its page after page of this never ending argument. I read it and don't say much because it turns into a race issue and while most or none of us are racists just passionant outdoorsman that want our kids and grandkids to be able to enjoy the outdoors like we do. As a mature non native man I understand not all things are fair and equal never has been never will be. Things change over time. Our history doesn't lie and we used to have the right to own slaves and kill unlimited numbers of buffalo and wild game to mention just a couple.. Heck a dispute could be settled in the street with a gunfight and one guy could be dead and the other could go home and not to jail... Times change and a civilization that realizes that and wants to sustain what they have or do better makes change either by law or self restraint and judgement. I am not jealous one bit of what native hunters and fisherman get to do because I see the result of non restraint when given basically an open season. I see it where I live on the Olympic Peninsula , the Blue Mountains and now this sheep hunt in the Swakane. There are plenty of native sportsman I know and are very good people and I respect but times change and we need to protect our wildlife and our opportunity to enjoy what we do. If all the tags(native and non native draw and auction) are filled on mature rams in the Swakane I predict there won't be any tags next year , how does that sound?
There are multiple problems that are leading to the demise of our wildlife but the biggest in my mind is that as times change and human population grows and technology continues to put fish and wildlife at a huge disadvantage we all must show restraint and make change whether its our right or not. Lastly don't even think about saying I don't understand or I'm a racist or I will post a pic of my family of adopted kids of all colors even one that is native enough to have a card but doesn't 

Well said

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[trophyhunt]

Everytime one of these hunting/tribal subjects that highlights the inequality of the situation shows up on here its page after page of this never ending argument. I read it and don't say much because it turns into a race issue and while most or none of us are racists just passionant outdoorsman that want our kids and grandkids to be able to enjoy the outdoors like we do. As a mature non native man I understand not all things are fair and equal never has been never will be. Things change over time. Our history doesn't lie and we used to have the right to own slaves and kill unlimited numbers of buffalo and wild game to mention just a couple.. Heck a dispute could be settled in the street with a gunfight and one guy could be dead and the other could go home and not to jail... Times change and a civilization that realizes that and wants to sustain what they have or do better makes change either by law or self restraint and judgement. I am not jealous one bit of what native hunters and fisherman get to do because I see the result of non restraint when given basically an open season. I see it where I live on the Olympic Peninsula , the Blue Mountains and now this sheep hunt in the Swakane. There are plenty of native sportsman I know and are very good people and I respect but times change and we need to protect our wildlife and our opportunity to enjoy what we do. If all the tags(native and non native draw and auction) are filled on mature rams in the Swakane I predict there won't be any tags next year , how does that sound?
There are multiple problems that are leading to the demise of our wildlife but the biggest in my mind is that as times change and human population grows and technology continues to put fish and wildlife at a huge disadvantage we all must show restraint and make change whether its our right or not. Lastly don't even think about saying I don't understand or I'm a racist or I will post a pic of my family of adopted kids of all colors even one that is native enough to have a card but doesn't 

Amen brother!!  Best post about this issue ever, now the mic can drop!

[theleo]

Just going to post this for all to see as a reminder.

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, name calling, belittling, threatening, unproven accusations, trashes topics or other members, trashes the forum, intentionally instigates trouble, obscene, profanity or intended profanity, sexually oriented, adult material, invasive of a person's privacy, or in violation of any International, State, or United States Federal law.

Geez where was these laws when I got a death threat?

Probably in committee waiting on final approval of the legislature.