The KETO thread

[vandeman17]

Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday

Interesting. So you never are in ketosis since you come off it two days. Basically you are just eating less calories overall... 

[outdooraddict]

i finally hit the 26 lb mark, got stuck at 22-24 lbs for a little over a week.  the difficulty in hunting season, is the campfire, tent, buddies, and beer lol

[noffles]

Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday

Interesting. So you never are in ketosis since you come off it two days. Basically you are just eating less calories overall... 

What do you mean? I didn't make that post but I can get back into ketosis no problem in under 24 hours as long as I don't go crazy on off days.

[vandeman17]

Keto is great for us growing older lower testosterone guys lol. I do it 5 out of 7 days per week. Then it's game on Friday thru sunday

Interesting. So you never are in ketosis since you come off it two days. Basically you are just eating less calories overall... 

What do you mean? I didn't make that post but I can get back into ketosis no problem in under 24 hours as long as I don't go crazy on off days.

This is key. If you are barely over on carbs or something but the post I was replying to said game on Friday through Sunday which doesn't sound like just having a few extra carbs.

[Stein]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

[vandeman17]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit. 

[bowhunterforever]

Bump! im about to start this

[Bigshooter]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

[mcrawfordaf]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

I've done keto on and off for about 3 years now and I can assure you it's not just something that makes you eat less to lose weight. When I'm doing strict high fat no/low carb - I typically go well over 2000 calories a day and lose weight consistently and quickly. Where as if I'm OMADing or intermittent fasting I usually hardly break 1200-1500, but still lose weight - definitely not as fast or as easy though. I'm 6', 175-185 lbs.

[vandeman17]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

[2MANY]

I did Keto for 1 day.

Zero results.

[Bigshooter]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

I don't read anything from msn.  But I never said keto was healthy.  I was just pointing out not all calories are the same.

[vandeman17]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

I don't read anything from msn.  But I never said keto was healthy.  I was just pointing out not all calories are the same.

Its actually from USA today but I just copied some of it.

The diet has been associated with effective weight loss, but it doesn't necessarily get the approval from doctors.

"I wouldn't recommend the keto diet to anybody," Jeffrey Mechanick, medical director at Mount Sinai Heart's Marie-Josée and Henry R. Kravis Center for Clinical Cardiovascular Health, told USA TODAY.

When it comes to dissecting popular diets such as keto, doctors stress the importance of knowing the difference between weight loss and genuine overall health.

Reducing your intake of carbs, as the keto diet does, goes hand-in-hand with reducing intake of whole grains, fruits and some vegetables, which raises red flags for health professionals.

"That's where I get a little concerned about the keto diet," Vasanti Malik, adjunct assistant professor of Nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told USA TODAY.

"You want to be mindful, because these foods – whole grains, fruits and vegetables – carry a number of beneficial nutrients – vitamins, polyphenols, fiber – that have been shown time and time again to be beneficial for cardiometabolic health."

As the keto diet essentially nixes the body's intake of carbs, the body searches for an alternative source of fuel. Before long, the body breaks down fat, muscle and tissues to sustain itself, Mechanick said.

"In theory, the keto diet basically mimics starvation," Mechanick said. "If you don't eat carbohydrates but you eat an excessive amount of fat and protein, you're still going to waste tissue. Tissue is still going to burn off."

Yes, you might experience weight loss on the keto diet, but that might not actually be good for you, considering what you give up.

"I don't feel particularly comfortable telling people to reduce intake of things that we know offer benefits for health," Malik said.

[Bigshooter]

Your body can't store all that much glycogen.  You deplete liver glycogen overnight just while you sleep.  I think a lot of people assume there is no stored glycogen while in ketosis, which just isn't true.  Your body makes as much glycogen as it wants, I have no problem sprinting, Crossfit or whatever in any state of ketosis, all of which are relatively high on the glycogen demand.

From my experience, it is very individual how fast you get into an actual state of Ketosis - which isn't even identified or consistent what that even means.

I also don't think it matters much from a performance or diet standpoint what your blood ketone level is.  I haven't seen any good research that shows benefits of a certain ketone level for weight loss or performance and as I mentioned, people don't even agree what the threshold for being in ketois is.

In my mind, there is a ketosis diet and there is being in ketosis.  You can be following a ketosis diet and not be in ketosis and you can also not be following a ketois diet and be in ketosis.

I experiment with carb levels and timing and don't care what my blood ketosis levels are.

100% agree. I believe that the keto diet doesn't inherently make your body do something different so that it loses weight but instead, the person ends up eating in a caloric deficit by following keto and that is how they lose weight. As for as overall health, performance etc, I think more studies and tests would need to be done over a longer duration to draw any conclusions to overall benefit.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-calories-are-not-created-equal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/keto-diet-isnt-the-answer-for-weight-loss-experts-say-heres-what-is/ar-BBZ52Rk?li=BBnba9O

I don't read anything from msn.  But I never said keto was healthy.  I was just pointing out not all calories are the same.

Its actually from USA today but I just copied some of it.

The diet has been associated with effective weight loss, but it doesn't necessarily get the approval from doctors.

"I wouldn't recommend the keto diet to anybody," Jeffrey Mechanick, medical director at Mount Sinai Heart's Marie-Josée and Henry R. Kravis Center for Clinical Cardiovascular Health, told USA TODAY.

When it comes to dissecting popular diets such as keto, doctors stress the importance of knowing the difference between weight loss and genuine overall health.

Reducing your intake of carbs, as the keto diet does, goes hand-in-hand with reducing intake of whole grains, fruits and some vegetables, which raises red flags for health professionals.

"That's where I get a little concerned about the keto diet," Vasanti Malik, adjunct assistant professor of Nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told USA TODAY.

"You want to be mindful, because these foods – whole grains, fruits and vegetables – carry a number of beneficial nutrients – vitamins, polyphenols, fiber – that have been shown time and time again to be beneficial for cardiometabolic health."

As the keto diet essentially nixes the body's intake of carbs, the body searches for an alternative source of fuel. Before long, the body breaks down fat, muscle and tissues to sustain itself, Mechanick said.

"In theory, the keto diet basically mimics starvation," Mechanick said. "If you don't eat carbohydrates but you eat an excessive amount of fat and protein, you're still going to waste tissue. Tissue is still going to burn off."

Yes, you might experience weight loss on the keto diet, but that might not actually be good for you, considering what you give up.

"I don't feel particularly comfortable telling people to reduce intake of things that we know offer benefits for health," Malik said.

What we all seem to forget is people are not replacing a healthy diet with keto.  They are replacing an unhealthy diet for perhaps another unhealthy diet that they lose weight on instead of gain weight. 

Not all calories are the same is all I wanted to say and you dragged me into this.